Michael Moore's $1,000,000,000,000 target.

[andruejaysin]

If our health care system is so great you might think the rest of the world would try something similar. They don't. The market has spoken.

[rebgirl420]

How about getting cancer and having no insurance?? What would you suggest I do?? Die because you don't wanna wait a couple weeks for your appointment......Sounds like a well thought out plan. :wtf:

btw....Be careful you don't hit the payout limit on your insurance when you get cancer, it can happen a lot quicker than you might think. And good luck getting approved for a transplant should you ever need one.

I agree the system would need some revamping , but we have plenty of highly intelligent people in this country fully capable of devising a system that will work. Why just assume that the system would not work?? When it comes to important issues, I tend to shy away from following my gut instinct. That accomplishes nothing, I try to use my brain on issues that matter.

I already have cancer and my parents worked 2 freakin' jobs to get the insurance to cover me. And why should I have to wait for my appointments? So everything is "fair"? Screw that!

[medicinal]

I already have cancer and my parents worked 2 freakin' jobs to get the insurance to cover me. And why should I have to wait for my appointments? So everything is "fair"? Screw that!

I don't want to sound harsh here, but you're not really dealing with reality. Did you say your "parents" worked 2 jobs to provide you with health insurance and in the same breath say it wouldn't be fair to wait two weeks for an appointment. My God, talk about a spoiled brat. Wait untill you have to fend for your self and find medical on your own. Now that you've had cancer. you'll probably have a hard time finding anyone to insure you. That may be when the light comes on, hey I'm un-insureable and my cancer may come back. Then maybe the chance of a national health care system that wouldn't discriminate against cancer survivors might seem viable, one paid for by taxes that are collected from everyone, you may have to wait a couple a weeks, but they won't be dumping you in the streets like they're doing in LA right now. BTW, I'm pretty sure your parents have to pay excessive amounts to insure you as a cancer survivor, and when you hit 21, it's bye-bye insurance. They'll drop you like a hot potato. Insurance companies study their risks, and when it is great, they don't insure, or if they do, it is priced out of reach. I wish you well and a long and successful life. My wifes lifelong friend has cancer and we've watched her waste away. We're taking her on a colorado mountain vacation next mo. Might be her last.

[mrdevious]

Doesn't seem fair to me that you should need 2 parents working 2 jobs just to pay the insurance. I really dont' get people's extremist views "it's gotta be all private, socialism is the devil!", or "It's gotta be all public, privitization is completely unjust and only favors the rich!". There are countries in Europe with a free public system, and a private system for those who can pay, and they rank top in the world. Is it really such a crazy idea to give people some choices? Those choices are why a socialized healthcare system is supportable and you can get in at a decent time, because the private sector is picking up the slack and getting the people who can pay out of the line that the poor are waiting in.

[Psycho4Bud]

I used to work for the Mayo system and I'll tell ya, before ANY of my tax dollars are put into that system they'd have to do some internal clean-up to controll costs first! $465 for a cloth swivel chair, no arms, that you see receptionists sit on. Over $2,500 for a leather chair for the doctors offices.

One of the directors in the facility I worked for got moved into a newly remodelled area.......NOT good enough! She had to have the carpet changed, different flo lights because she didn't care for the design of the ones that were just installed. Another area bought a $1000 coffee table for their lounge....they did a remodel of the area a month later and had no room for the table. Instead of throwing it out in the trash I convinced them to let me take it home in my car!

If these people spent money out their own budgets like they do on a daily basis they'd all be bankrupt!

Have a good one!:s4:

[mrdevious]

But when the private sector has to pay those exhorbitant costs themselves, prices for treatment will have to go up anyway to maintain the profit margin and still handle administrative costs. I can confidently say here in Canada we're not all going broke, and those below the poverty line don't have to pay any contributions to the medical system (with extremely low taxation for those still making very low wages).


The problem still remains, if you can't afford health insurance, or health insurance for an unexpectedly high-expense treatment, should you just be left to die? Or would it be more acceptable to be in debt for life so high you can never pay it off?

[Psycho4Bud]

The problem still remains, if you can't afford health insurance, or health insurance for an unexpectedly high-expense treatment, should you just be left to die? Or would it be more acceptable to be in debt for life so high you can never pay it off?

medicinal works on cars and I'm sure he'd agree that before you do a fancy paint job you get rid of the rust. The medical system has alot of rust to get sandblasted before we even think of trying to pretty it up.

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

medicinal works on cars and I'm sure he'd agree that before you do a fancy paint job you get rid of the rust. The medical system has alot of rust to get sandblasted before we even think of trying to pretty it up.

Have a good one!:s4:

Look, I never said the rich couldn't have private health care. My own Dr. decided to semi retire and gave all his HMO and Medicare patients the choice, either pay up 3,000 a person per year or find another DR. Obviously I had to leave and find another Dr., but his wealthy patients could enjoy his expertise. He was the most favorite Dr. I ever had, but facts is facts and I couldn't afford 3,000 bucks above and beyond what I'm already paying. The wealthy will have a class of medical that is better than most of the proletariate, but with a public system, every citizen would be covered. I also suggest a card, not unlike a credit card that seems to be hard to duplicate, for every citizen so the illegals would have to go back to Mexico for treatment, and once back there we could close the gate,~LOL~

[GotWake88]

Now birdgirl, you know I'm as open minded about these M. Moore as the next guy but fact is he broke the law. If we all just chose the laws we wanted to follow there would be chaos!! CHAOS I TELL YOU!!

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrantâ??s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."- Thomas Jefferson

[PharmaCan]

First of all, it's not against the law to travel to Cuba, it's only against the law to spend U.S. money there. There are many exceptions to the embargo and legitimate media/journalism is one of them. The Constitution says we have Freedom of Press. There is no way for politicians with their heads up their asses to change that.

As far as health care is concerned - health care is a right in any civilized society. (I wonder how much health care we could provide if the "War on Drugs" funds were diverted to heath clinics instead?) It is obscene and immoral that health insurance companies are allowed to operate. There should be one or two totally non-profit corps collecting insurance premiums and paying claims. Without the profit to the insurance companies, health insurance would be affordable to the majority of people. And that's not socialized medicine, it's just common sense.

Pharmacuetical Companies should be told one thing: "If you want to do business in the USA, then you charge US the same prices you charge in other countries."