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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    There's been a lot of press hysteria over the past week, with a few high profile claims regarding the part cannabis played in the deaths of two men. It is clear that these claims are merely an obvious attempt by the pro-prohibition lot to stir up bad publicity in the run up to UK downgrading of cannabis to class C on the 29th January.

    From the Legalise Cannabis Alliance :
    DEATH, MADNESS, MAYHEM! BRIT TABLOIDS IN FITS OVER POT

    A full-blown outbreak of Reefer Madness has occurred in Great Britain in
    the last couple of weeks as segments of British society react hysterically
    to impending changes in that country's cannabis laws. Under an
    already-approved reclassification scheme that will go into effect January
    29, cannabis will be downgraded from a Class B to a Class C drug. Changes
    in daily practice are expected to be minimal, with the primary difference
    being that police will generally no longer make arrests for simple cannabis
    possession. They will instead issue tickets.

    In some aggravated cases -- public disorder, smoking near schools or around
    kids, repeat offenders -- police will make arrests.

    But to read the British tabloid press and the pronouncements of some
    "experts," one would be forgiven for mistakenly believing that the British
    government was about to embark on a program of mandatory daily cannabis
    injections for all citizens and the fate of civilization rested in the
    balance. In the past few days, the tabloids have been full of half-baked
    reports linking cannabis to madness and mayhem:

    "Hedge-Feud Coroner Warns About Dangers of Cannabis" (Daily Telegraph,
    January 16). The warning came in the case of a pot-smoking man who killed
    his neighbor after a simmering, years-long feud boiled over. Coroner Roger
    Atkinson called it "undoubtedly the worst case I've come across of somebody
    under the influence of cannabis." He added: "I have stressed that cannabis
    is not a harmless drug, and this demonstrates, if nothing else, how
    devastating its effects can be."

    "Hedge Fracas Death Fuelled by Cannabis" (The Independent, January 16).
    Same incident, additional quote.

    Detective Inspector Peter Bray of Lincolnshire Police told reporters
    outside the court: "It does nobody any good to use cannabis and can lead to
    these sorts of things." The Independent article, however, contained
    critical information not apparent from the headline: The shooter was drunk.

    "Why I Ditched My Liberal Views on Dope" (The Observer, January 18). Here
    essayist Sue Arnold, who credits cannabis with saving her eyesight,
    explains that she changed her view after her college-age son "had what
    psychiatrists call 'a psychotic episode,' triggered by cannabis." Arnold is
    unclear about whether the diagnosis was made by a Cuban psychiatrist (her
    son was in Cuba) or from afar. "To cut a long, long story short, my son
    came home heavily sedated, spent six months in hospital in an intermediate
    care unit (ICU). He was prescribed different drugs and, after a series of
    events which are too difficult and painful to describe, has just resumed
    his final year at university. He's still on medication and will probably
    have to take it for ever. It goes without saying that if he ever smokes
    another spliff he will have a relapse."

    "Ban Tobacco, Legalize Cannabis -- Are We Barmy?" (Daily Telegraph, January
    19). Here the essayist, WF Deeves, explores the contradictions between the
    two policies, and even concedes that limited marijuana use isn't so bad.
    "In the days when I knew something about dangerous drugs, sat on government
    committees dealing with them and talked to schools about them, I learnt a
    bit about cannabis.

    In truth the occasional spliff does most people no more harm than the
    occasional cigarette or cigar." But then he goes on to note that cannabis
    is stronger now and reports ill-effects, the most serious of which he
    mentions is that "some of the girls we interviewed mentioned that relations
    with the boyfriend had become eerily estranged since he took it up." Eerie
    or barmy?

    You decide.

    "Cannabis Law is 'Threat to Health'" (Peterborough Evening Telegraph,
    January 20). Cannabis reclassification is a "mental health time bomb"
    waiting to go off, warned Verina McEwen, the Peterborough Drug Action Team
    coordinator, adding that pot-smoking was a factor in 80% of inner-city
    mental health cases. "My fear is young people will be confused about the
    health risks," she said. "We know cannabis can be linked to confusion, both
    short-term and long-term, depression, and trigger more serious problems,
    such as paranoia."

    "Doctors Support Drive Against Cannabis" (Times of London, January 20). The
    Times is no tabloid, but here the British medical establishment contributes
    to the climate of fear. Dr. Peter Maguire, deputy chairman of the British
    Medical Association's board of science, said: "The public must be made
    aware of the harmful effects that we know result from smoking this drug.
    The BMA is extremely concerned that the public might think that
    reclassification equals 'safe.' It does not. We are very worried about the
    negative health effects of smoking cannabis and want the Government to fund
    more research on this issue."

    But none of those stories, as frighteningly dramatic as they are designed
    to be, can hold a candle to one that hit the British press on Sunday. In a
    shocking coincidence, just days before cannabis reclassification is
    scheduled to go into effect in Britain, the first purported cannabis
    overdose fatality was reported -- in Britain, no less! "Man Killed By
    23,000 Spliffs!" roared the Daily Record. "Cannabis Blamed as Cause of
    Man's Death," chimed in the Daily Telegraph. A real shocker, if true.

    The story, however, appears to be a combination of a coroner's stab in the
    dark and the tabloids' insatiable appetite for titillation. Lee John
    Maisey, 36, died in August of unknown causes.

    Those causes are still unknown, despite the coroner's verdict that "cause
    of death was probable cannabis toxicity." That verdict appears to be based
    solely on the fact that he had cannabinoids in his system and the coroner
    could find no other cause.

    According to the Pembrokeshire Coroner's Office: "An inquest was held on
    18th December 2003 into the death of Lee John Maisey, who had died on 24th
    August 2003. A full autopsy had been carried out which had failed to reveal
    a cause of death.

    A histological examination also failed to establish a cause of death and,
    in consequence, a toxicological examination on blood samples obtained was
    carried out by Forensic Alliance. The samples showed a high concentration
    of Carboxy-THC, consistent with heavy cannabis usage. There were also
    traces of cannabidiol, indicating that cannabis and/or cannabis resin was
    used within a few hours of death.

    In the view of the pathologist, and in the absence of any other significant
    abnormality in spite of exhaustive investigation, it was likely that death
    occurred as a manifestation of cannabis toxicity.

    The coroner recorded a verdict of death by misadventure and that the cause
    of death was probable cannabis toxicity.

    "They've proven nothing. We're still at zero fatalities," said a leading
    marijuana researcher who asked to remain unidentified for employment
    reasons. "They have no more proved he died from cannabis toxicity than he
    died from Mad Cow Disease from drinking orange juice," he said. "If you
    read carefully, you see it wasn't even a firm diagnosis. This does not
    constitute proof, either medical or legal." When asked for an alternative
    explanation, he pointed to heart disease. "Most often, when someone of that
    age dies suddenly, it is from cardiac arrhythmia," he speculated. "This is
    ridiculous."

    Of course, such considerations did not stop a steady stream of British
    "drug experts" from confirming the fatal danger of cannabis.

    Nor did it stop the Daily Telegraph from printing those ill-informed
    pronouncements. "This type of death is extremely rare," said Prof. John
    Henry, a toxicologist at Imperial College, London. "I have not seen
    anything like this before. It corrects the argument that cannabis cannot
    kill anybody."

    Dr Philip Guy, a lecturer in addictions at the University of Hull, said:
    "Cannabis is not the nice hippy drug it used to be. It has been
    experimented with to produce stronger varieties." Guy guessed that Maisey
    had eaten himself to death on pot brownies. "I would not be surprised if in
    this case the deceased had ingested a fatal amount of cannabis."

    And Tory shadow home secretary David Davis was all aflutter, using the
    alleged news to jab at the Labor government. "This highlights what we have
    been saying about the effects of cannabis all along. When will people wake
    up to the fact that cannabis can be a harmful drug? By reclassifying the
    drug David Blunkett has shown he has lost the war on drugs. In my eyes,
    it's nothing more than an admission of failure."

    So did Tristan Millington-Drake, the chief executive of the Chemical
    Dependency Centre. "We have always taken the view that cannabis is an
    addictive drug, unlike the pedlars who try to persuade us that it is
    harmless," he said. "The government's decision to reclassify cannabis is a
    mistake."

    "All this was to be expected, the backlash is always waiting to pounce,"
    said Danny Kushlick of the Transform Drug Policy Institute
    (http://www.tdpf.org.uk). As for the amazing coincidence related to the
    alleged cannabis fatality, Kushlick pronounced himself boggled. "That's
    quite something, isn't it?" he laughed wearily. "They've done the same
    thing with this mental health stuff. They find some sort of correlation,
    but the causality gets very spurious when you look at it closely, and the
    correlation turns out to be extremely tiny."

    "We are witnessing the dying gasp of prohibition there" said the anonymous
    marijuana expert. "Now we see a whole spate of articles about
    schizophrenia. That argument has been around forever; it's been studied for
    115 years, ever since the Indian Hemp Commission in 1894, and the answer is
    always the same. The fact is, yeah, some people smoke and seem to go nuts
    for awhile, but it is self-limiting, and there is no evidence whatsoever
    that you can create schizophrenia with cannabis. People who are susceptible
    to schizophrenia could have problems, but at the same time, there are many
    schizophrenics who find it helps their symptomology."

    And all of this over a simple rescheduling of cannabis. "The change is
    really minimal," said Kushlick. "For the police, they have to rely on their
    arrest guidelines, not the reclassification, to get that presumption
    against arrest. Ultimately, this should lead to fewer arrests for
    possession. The fact is, for the amount of furor around this, the
    government could have made a much bolder move."

    To read the coroner's report in the "marijuana overdose death," visit
    http://www.pembrokeshirecoroner.org/coroner/faq.php#1 online.
    Boojum Reviewed by Boojum on . Reefer Madness Revisited There's been a lot of press hysteria over the past week, with a few high profile claims regarding the part cannabis played in the deaths of two men. It is clear that these claims are merely an obvious attempt by the pro-prohibition lot to stir up bad publicity in the run up to UK downgrading of cannabis to class C on the 29th January. From the Legalise Cannabis Alliance : DEATH, MADNESS, MAYHEM! BRIT TABLOIDS IN FITS OVER POT A full-blown outbreak of Reefer Madness has occurred in Great Rating: 5

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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    i do not think if they knew the real facts they would be bothered at all
    think of all the lies they tell
    make us all look like charlie manson type killers to them that are blinded by all the bullshit

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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    Sadly true - I just try to make sure I've got all the facts, then at least when I am confronted by one of the tabloid reading sheep I can try to educate them, or failing that, at least defend myself & other drug users from their slander.

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    #4
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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    cant wait to not be called a criminal just called i smoke a jiont

    that pisses me off so much i just roll another to get over it
    smoke on

    and
    oh yea

    i have a old ibm pc
    so old it dont even have a place to hook a phone line to,
    it was given to me long ago
    thinking of shoot'nthe shit out of it with this 9mm
    film it just to have something to do of course.
    is that 'certifiable to want to do that
    in your wisdom
    haha
    peace

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    #5
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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    ha ha z If it was me I would love nothing better then getting a base ball bat and smashing the shit out of the presistoric shit box man i'm high! I keep having to post shit just to get into chat its driving me crazy!

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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    i have a question! pls reply. what would they do if a kid was smoking weed? cuz im 14 and im a pothead lol, i dont live in the uk but shit! give the kids their bud

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    Reefer Madness Revisited

    I think I'd rather see a kid start smoking weed rather than cigs. I don't know, cigerettes have been found to have a whole sh#t load of carcinegines in them and yet (as far as I've read) weed may have like half to quarter the amount if that. If there so against it, then they should make beer and cigs illegal because they kill and beer makes a person go insane, get physically addicted to it, kills brain cells the liver and the heart. I've not heard of weed doing that, and in most cases it helps make life managable, not take you away from it but rather give you a way to pull your self away from the madness and really think about what you should do.

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