Quote Originally Posted by PharmaCan
These statements are sooo naive. The third-world trash from south of our border has no intention of assimilating into American society and they have stated as much. If you have never heard of Reconquista or Aztlan, you need to have your eyes opened. This is not immigration, it is an invasion! And the stated purpose is to turn the American Southwest in an Hispanic territory.

Illegal immigrants are a tremendous burden on American taxpayers - i.e. American citizens and legal immigrants. They pay little or nothing in taxes and collect immense amounts in benefits. The Heritage Foundation has calulated that the cost of the amnesty currently being considered in the Senate will be 2.4 Trillion dollars over 20 years - NET COST TO AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.

Get your facts straight before you make statements like this 'cause right now all you are doing is repeating liberal propaganda for which you have neither substantiation nor basis in fact.
Heh, well I guess you're right about the cost of illegal immigration, although to be fair, the cost is generally associated with their US-born children, and not the immigrants themselves. To be fair though, I was spouting conservative (libertarian) propaganda, not liberal propaganda. :thumbsup:

Anyway, saying those groups you mentioned represent all illegal immigrants is like saying groups like NAMBLA represent all gays. Most immigrants, both illegal and legal, are just concerned with providing for their families.

How many pilots and Boeing engineers need to say that a 737 (or whatever it was) cannot be flown in the manner it would have had to be flown to impact the pentagon before you believe that the aircraft cannot be flown that way?
Quote Originally Posted by Loose Change
"[Flight 77] could not possibly have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into a high speed stall."
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"The airplane won't go that fast when you start pulling those high G maneuvers. That plane would have fallen out of the sky..."
-Russ Wittenburg, commercial and Air Force Pilot who flew two of the planes used on 9/11, WingTV
Russ Wittenburg did not fly two of the planes used on 9/11, he flew Boeing 757s and 767s -- two of the types of planes used on 9/11. Wittenburg may be correct that flying a 757 at 532 mph at low altitude -- the approach speed given in FEMA's Pentagon Building Performance Report -- would precipitate a high-speed stall. However, that doesn't support Loose Change's conclusion that the attack plane was not a 757. Perhaps it was flying at only 400 mph. At that speed, it would only have been pulling about 0.57 Gs -- well under the performance ratings of a 757.

Quote Originally Posted by Loose Change
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought ... all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane"
-Danielle O'Brien, ATC at Dulles International Airport ABCNews (9/14/01)
This is misleading because it omits context. In the ABCNews article, O'Brien goes on to say "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe," making it clear that the air traffic controllers' opinion was based on the way the plane was being flown. The implication that the maneuvers were beyond the capabilities of a 757 is false.

I was going to post some more quotes from this debunking site, but maybe it'd be easier to read it yourself.

Provide photoevidence that it was a boeing aircraft that strck the pentagon. Not hyperbole, EVIDENCE! Even one or two photos showing pieces of the aircraft outside the pentagon will do. (The wings would have sheared off and remained outside the building if the official story were true.)
The wings were pulled with the plane, and folded back some, kind of like what would happen if you tried to push an open umbrella tip first into a hole. The wings are connected very strongly to the body, after all they have to hold it up, so they wouldn't just shear off like you said. I worked as an engineer for Honeywell, which makes a lot of aviation subsystems, so just so you know I'm not pulling this out of my ass.
khronik Reviewed by khronik on . loose change anyone ever seen this movie or heard of it? i think u can only watch it online...its about how they think 9/11 was a conspiracy run by the government.... my friend and i were havin a long arguement about it last night even though we both don't know shit about politics or care.... but this is the first time i've heard about this and i think its all bullshit...so what do u guys think Rating: 5