Quote Originally Posted by jsn9333
Also, I didn't say God ordered the execution of kids who tell white lies. I said he doesn't hate homosexuals any more than he hates people who tell white lies.
That was my point, that God does hate homosexuals more than he hates people who tell white lies. He orders the execution of homosexuals, but he does not order the execution of people who tell white lies. If in God's eyes homosexuality is worthy of the death penalty but lying is not, then homosexuality must be a worse crime, right?
He hates sin, but loved the world so much he died for it. He wants those who are disobedient to turn from their sin and be forgiven. While you (along with the Westboro crazies) focus only on the "hate" of God, you ignore the ultimate act of love God committed on the cross... and in doing so you make yourself look as close-minded and blind to love as you try to make Christians out to be.
His ultimate act of love was to sacrifice himself to himself to change the rules that he himself put into place? I'm sorry, but the "logic" of the crucifixion makes no sense to me. What Jesus did was no sacrifice at all. He had to endure a few hours of suffering, then get resurrected, and spend the rest of eternity in bliss while billions of people worship him. I would kill to have an opportunity to do that! If I knew I could endure a few hours of suffering and then never have to suffer again in a perfect heavenly bliss, I would have to be crazy not to do that. It wouldn't be a "sacrifice".

If God wants to forgive us, can't he just forgive us? What's with the bloody spectacle of sacrificing himself in a human body? I just don't get it.

Also, I find it very sad that you think you love your gay family members, but also think they deserve to be eternally tortured. As an atheist, I can say that my love for my family and friends is free of such underpinnings of hatred. I truly love them, in the sense that I don't think they deserve to be the object of everlasting torment. As I said before, it doesn't matter whether or not you behave in a hateful way towards these people when you meet them; if you really truly think they deserve to be eternally tortured, in your heart you hate them. I can't think of a more obvious example of hatred than thinking somebody ought to be tortured forever. What could possibly be a more hateful opinion of someone?

I guess my previous example about Hitler and the Jews wasn't a good one, since you must also hate the Jews if you think you have to accept Jesus Christ to avoid everlasting torment.
Oneironaut Reviewed by Oneironaut on . Westboro Baptist Church: The Most Hated Family In America I just stumbled across this BBC documentary on Fred Phelps' congregation (the "God Hates Fags" people), and it is quite fascinating to watch these people. It's interesting how what they're doing makes perfect sense from their point of view of Biblical literalism and fundamentalist Christianity, but because they can't see through the bullshit they are rendered incapable of seeing how hateful and harmful their false ideology is. I mean, if you really honestly believe the Bible when it tells you Rating: 5