Seed of intelligent life

[420ultimatesmokage]

ok those links didn't work as well as i wanted it to, here are the do/don't exist hypothesis Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Divadish]

Wow ! that just about covers everything, something for all sides to chew on there, including you pr7777.

[Quantummist]

I just think that we (homosapians) are ahead in the cosmic intelligence stakes.

I want to know why you think we're ahead, we have yet to have a conversation with a dog, They seems to know what we want them to do but we haven't a clue what they want us to do.

We have no idea how little we know, we have no external frame of reference and as such its only our ego's that puts us at the head of the class. All our great technology, all our grand structures for the time we built our first fires could be just the baby steps of a newborn.

In the vastness of this universe a life form could have been at where we are today a Billion years ago and today sees us as we see an ant. They would just ignore us as they consider if they should put us in a ant farm , ignore us or zap us with Decon because we are starting to annoy them..

Then again maybe we are in the ant farm we call earth and just trying to get out as we call it exploring the universe. And they are considering pulling out the magnifying glass on those that escape.

[jamstigator]

Evolution in general has not stopped. Evolution of humankind hasn't even stopped, although it is now dramatically different, because we're selecting for different things. In the old days, it was survival of the fittest, only the strongest/smartest/toughest were able to spread their genes into the gene pool. Now, we keep the infirm, retarded, sickly members of society alive, usually long enough that their genes go right back into the pool. Not to mention that the smartest members of society tend to think long-term and with global population rising so rapidly, and resources to support the population shrinking, they tend to have fewer children. And the dumbest and/or least educated members of society tend to have *lots* of kids, which pushes their genes to the forefront in the global genetic pool. So, while evolution is still occurring, we're probably not really evolving in a positive way anymore.

That's just humans though; other species are improving, because for them it is still survival of the fittest. It's easy to see the effects on rapid-turnaround species, with diseases selecting for drug and antibiotic resistance and so on. Heck, there are 39 *new* diseases in the last few decades, that didn't exist at all 100 years ago. (Of course, there are far more species that have gone extinct in that time, so I'm not sure the planet is evolving new species at the same rate as it is losing old ones. Probably not.)

Our lack of finding signs of intelligent life via SETI and so on is a little troubling. Granted, we haven't looked very hard at all. But it occurred to me that there could be a scary reason why we aren't picking up the signals of other intelligences in the general vicinity (say, within 10,000 light years). My theory is that we *are* picking up such signals, but the other intelligent races keep their data encrypted to the extent that it just looks like garbage noise. (Open up a .RAR file with a hex editor, for example, and you will see that it is almost entirely garbage, or at least looks like random data.) But then, *why* are they encrypting their data so that it's not intelligible to other races in other star systems? And my theory is that there's some race or species out there that is hostile to all others and when *it* detects signalling indicative of intelligent life, it wipes them out, leaving only those races smart enough to keep their data encrypted. And it's heading our way, or will be as soon as it hears our signals. We first began announcing our intelligence in a big way beginning with the first live video broadcasts of the 1939 Olympics in Nazi Germany, so anything within 68 light years has now probably heard about us. Hopefully 'The Destroyer' is further than that, and won't get here in my lifetime.

[Quantummist]

Our lack of finding signs of intelligent life via SETI and so on is a little troubling. Granted, we haven't looked very hard at all. But it occurred to me that there could be a scary reason why we aren't picking up the signals of other intelligences in the general vicinity (say, within 10,000 light years).

While I concur with your post I can see why SETI has yet to stumble upon information sent out by other forms of life with no problem. Life of any level of intellectual ability would be rare with in even our tiny , little, small uninteresting galaxy. And if some one out there was around for a hundred thousand years it could be a million more years before actually received their first broadcast when their Marconi fired up his first transmitter. And we may have received detailed information already and it got here when we were burning the scrolls at Alexandria and heading into the dark ages. Thus is the vastness of this bubble of matter and energy. Drake gave us a reasoned view of the possibilities in his formula ( The Drake Formula--Estimating Life in the Universe )
And even if the Universe is Teaming with intelligent life we may never know it before something puts our lights out for good.

[Quantummist]

are u one of those people that belive in were killing the earth with all the carbon dioxide being put into the air??

You seem to believe in lots of stuff.. Once you believe you have given up the understanding of science. You don't seem to understand that in the least. In science no one Believes. They Think. I think evolution is a fact and I could produce volumes on the bits of evidence we as a species have collected over time. But I would never say I believe as at that point I have created a religion. Religion does not have to have a deity to make it so. Religion is when in the face of overwhelming evidence one or a group disregard it because they Believe in what ever it is they believe.

You bring up Global warming and today we have a religion being formed around that concept. Yes the earth is warming and we have evidence of it. But to believe that this climate we are in at this moment is the Best one is religious in nature. To set aside the many that provide evidence that the cause is not man, because they Believe it is, begins the walk to the church of the environment.

Yes Science changes as new information is gained by mans quest to know and when it does we modify theory to fit the evidence we gain.. Religion sticks to dogma and Believes its the end all and be all even when confronted with evidence that disavows all its Believes.

[Quantummist]

i just thought i'd ad my 2 cents i know quite abit about alot of things as im always thinking about something my mind seems to never stop

Form your post I think you know very little of the world around you, Its only your arrogance and ego that makes you B'Leave you know. If you beleive in your version of god and it makes you go through life doing the Right things when no one is looking then it great for you. If your beliefs cause you to wish to help your fellow man then more power to you. But I suggest you consider that all you think you know may very well be just belief and has no connection to reality.

What you spout as your evidence of some master planer are in fact Beliefs and not evidence in the slightest. You speak of all the things that makes Us be what we are and state Only god could do such a thing and you have no idea that what you believe is not in the slightest any evidence at all.

I would venture a guess that you could not in your own words define the terms Evidence or Proof. They are quite different concepts by the way..

Paul