You can't kill an idealism

[delusionsofNORMALity]

yeah and the longer the US stays in the middle-east the more terrorists (freedom fighters) we create...

as long as there are people living in poverty and desperation and fanatics willing to exploit that desperation to gain power, there will be terrorists in the middle east. the us did not create that desperation and poverty and it certainly can't be expected to alleviate it all on its own. this one sided view of the causes of terrorism is as foolish as the idea that if we're nice to them then they'll be nice to us. sometimes that crap just doesn't fly. i know it's easy to say that it's all the fault of those evil americans, but such simplicity is not a virtue.

[B.Basher]

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

[Psycho4Bud]

I nearly said those numbers are irellevant, that was the fool-arse liberal beeyatch coming out. Close call! :thumbsup:

I was waiting for that one.......DAMN, LMAO!:thumbsup:

The thing is, while trying my best to refrain from prioritising figures, the US toll is more of a factor than the Iraqi toll in such an argument. Of course your wasting a fuckload of them everyday, how could you not? That much is certain. In fact, your so ahead of yourself, your taking out the civilians too, good job there Uncle Sam :wtf:..

Yeah, unforturnately civilians die in war zones. Like when a suicide bomber blows himself up in the middle of their market places killing sister Muslims and her children.

If civilian death toll would have been such a huge issue during WW2 we all would have been doing a goose step today. That's one of the problems with this war, we aren't able to fight it like it was a war.....gotta try to stay politically correct for the masses. IF we didn't, this would have been resolved a couple years ago.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

Watch the flicks I posted once.......it's about the world under Islamic rule with the Jews and Christians playing the part of pets being cared for. They long for the return of the Persian/Ottoman empire.

By "they", I mean the fanatics. I do believe that most Muslims would like peace, but in accordance with the Quran they aren't able to go up against a fellow Muslim; therefore we don't hear much from the moderates.

Have a good one!:s4:

[B.Basher]

"IF we didn't, this would have been resolved a couple years ago."

Lol, only because Iraq would be a smouldering crater. No people at all = no terrorists huh? If only it were that simple. I think it's clear this war is so far from the noble cause of WW2 it's unreal, thanks very much. That does usually happen when you try to compare a WORLD war with, what can only be called, an American war.

[B.Basher]

"By "they", I mean the fanatics. I do believe that most Muslims would like peace, but in accordance with the Quran they aren't able to go up against a fellow Muslim; therefore we don't hear much from the moderates."

Bingo. Political motivations aside, I definitely don't feel bad about saying that Islam is a most fucked up religion. Not racist, not prejudiced, I don't hate Muslims for it, but Islam is screwed in the head. Then again, so is America , in it's own lovable way.

[Psycho4Bud]

I definitely don't feel bad about saying that Islam is a most fucked up religion. Not racist, not prejudiced, I don't hate Muslims for it, but Islam is screwed in the head. Then again, so is America , in it's own lovable way.

I think it's clear this war is so far from the noble cause of WW2 it's unreal, thanks very much. That does usually happen when you try to compare a WORLD war with, what can only be called, an American war.

THIS is what really puzzles me. Even the left realize that radical Islam is a threat no matter how much their proverbial asses are kissed but yet they are reluctant to classify this as a world war. This "war" is taking place in the Phillipines, Russia, the Middle East, in Europe and in the U.S. ......how much more of the world needs to be covered?

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

THIS is what really puzzles me. Even the left realize that radical Islam is a threat no matter how much their proverbial asses are kissed but yet they are reluctant to classify this as a world war. This "war" is taking place in the Phillipines, Russia, the Middle East, in Europe and in the U.S. ......how much more of the world needs to be covered?

Have a good one!:s4:

How much more can we afford to cover? This world policeman shit is for the fucking birds!

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

desperate people are prone to desperate acts and when they are directed by the unscrupulous those acts can be turned in some rather perverse directions. yes, it is an oversimplification. if you'd like; i can go into religious fanaticism, rabid tribalism or simple psychotic behavior. however, sometimes the simplest reasons are the best and in this case it fits. though not everyone who is performing these acts fits within the confines of this narrow definition, a majority of those blowing themselves up for the sake of islam are those with little to lose and the promises of the afterlife seem a wonderful alternative to their life here. considering the drab life available under theocratic rule, even i would prefer the glory of ending my life as a martyr.

[medicinal]

considering the drab life available under theocratic rule, even i would prefer the glory of ending my life as a martyr.
Get ready to die, If Bush has his way, this will be a theocratic Christian state. I hope the next president, no matter which party, is a secularist. If I was forced to go to church I might have to revolt, prayers, what, 5 times a day, those guys are fanatics. Bush and his messages from god scare me as much as Amajinadad. The world has had more deaths attributed to religion than most any one other cause, Greed plays a close second, and that is what is driving the wars in Iraq and Afganistan.