Should the U.S. have began started the current war in Iraq

[BuD MaN]

yea ya mumma

[Garden Knowm]

for the record.. I suggest we carpet bomb with lsd and ecstacy.. starting with a few people on this thread : )

This threadis kinda how I imagine wars to start... subject comes up... we argue... I can't win... so I bust a capin your ass.... I personaly prfer option "B" .... I offer you some X.. we reconsile our differences we go back to my place and hump all night.. but if y'all want to kill each other... ho hum

[psychocat]

wow ur a fuckin fag huh kid u got a fuckin big moulth i can tell ur a fuckin tool who thinks hes a tough guy id love 2 c u come ova here an say that u fuckin sayin all americans should go 2 hell jus 4 bein american u piece of shit notice we dont say that about n e of ur countrys what u guys think we all live in mansions an shit fuck no we dont most americans dont even like our government its not us makin tha decisions i 4 one fuckin hate bush but i love my country and im goin2 fight for it in a year im goin2 enlist in the marines DEP in a few weeks just think of how many people in america arnt american and r still willing 2 fight 4 it wats that tell u no1s bein forced

I would like you to enlighten me on the idea of a soldier having a choice.
NO soldier has a choice except the choice to sign up or not , once that decision is made then you become a servant who is expected to follow orders without question. As a former soldier I can tell you the consequences for disobeying orders , the brass don't like anyone questioning their methods, or madness, and a quick trip to the guardhouse can be quickly followed by your discharge from the force.
The military is not a democracy.
Explain to me how the US forces in Iraq are fighting for the people of America?? They aren't , they are serving the interests of global commerce.
Cannon fodder is cannon fodder.
Just like in Vietnam the enemy has home advantage , they have support across the country (nobody in Iraq really wants an american puppet) and they will continue to send home more troops in bodybags.
Think how many lives would be saved if America defended only it's own borders , this would also reduce the amount of illegal immigrants , add to this the monetary savings by not having to support overseas bases and operations.
Pre-emptive action is just another word for aggression , if we destroyed everything that could become a threat there would be nothing left in this world.
The arrogance of America in believing it has the (God given) right to impose it's ideas on everyone else is what is making this world an increasingly dangerous place , without US interference the Taliban would never have come to power , Saddam would never have lasted as long as he did and this shit wouldn't be happening now.
America should clean up it's own backyard before it tries to set itself up as a shining example of democracy .

[NowhereMan]

And both are places where no US or Brit soldier should be.
Both are a death sentence and a body bag home for your precious troops.
Both were destabilised by american subversion (very much like with Pinochets rise to power Saddam had US backing for a long time)

Count the bodies coming home , count the relatives greaving for lost loved ones , count the human cost of a financial war and cut through the propoganda and bullshit , the only profit from war goes to the weapons manufaturers.
Bush and his cronies all benefit financialy in some way , this was never about terrorism or WMD or even Saddams oppressive regime and all about corporate gain.

so then your saying America should leave you cocksuckers to kill each other off and just nuke the first one to piss in our yard

ok fine by me ,
just dont cry help me USA when the next fucking so called god chosen idiot stomps over and kills your people.,,,,remember how you dont want no usa to back anyone and help anyone,,,,,you remember that mr bad ass.
yaw expect a country just a lil over 200 years old to be perfect
fuck you

yaw been countries for ages and look,,,,america has to BIAL YOUR ass out of shit year by year
so shut the anti american shit up
i also think we should not be in iraq at this time
but saddam was helped into power
USA righted that wrong now didnt we
so what the fuck has your country did for anyone?
thanks and fuck you too
have a bad day to your anything america does is wrong ass.
peace to those who want it

[psychocat]

so then your saying America should leave you cocksuckers to kill each other off and just nuke the first one to piss in our yard

ok fine by me ,
just dont cry help me USA when the next fucking so called god chosen idiot stomps over and kills your people.,,,,remember how you dont want no usa to back anyone and help anyone,,,,,you remember that mr bad ass.
yaw expect a country just a lil over 200 years old to be perfect
fuck you

yaw been countries for ages and look,,,,america has to BIAL YOUR ass out of shit year by year
so shut the anti american shit up
i also think we should not be in iraq at this time
but saddam was helped into power
USA righted that wrong now didnt we
so what the fuck has your country did for anyone?
thanks and fuck you too
have a bad day to your anything america does is wrong ass.
peace to those who want it

Your eloquence astounds me . LMAO

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America fights for freedom??
Dream on .

"Greed is good" Gordon Ghecko , that seems to be the US mantra.

[The Piper]

I would like you to enlighten me on the idea of a soldier having a choice.
NO soldier has a choice except the choice to sign up or not , once that decision is made then you become a servant who is expected to follow orders without question. As a former soldier I can tell you the consequences for disobeying orders , the brass don't like anyone questioning their methods, or madness, and a quick trip to the guardhouse can be quickly followed by your discharge from the force.
The military is not a democracy.
Explain to me how the US forces in Iraq are fighting for the people of America?? They aren't , they are serving the interests of global commerce.
Cannon fodder is cannon fodder.
Just like in Vietnam the enemy has home advantage , they have support across the country (nobody in Iraq really wants an american puppet) and they will continue to send home more troops in bodybags.
Think how many lives would be saved if America defended only it's own borders , this would also reduce the amount of illegal immigrants , add to this the monetary savings by not having to support overseas bases and operations.
Pre-emptive action is just another word for aggression , if we destroyed everything that could become a threat there would be nothing left in this world.
The arrogance of America in believing it has the (God given) right to impose it's ideas on everyone else is what is making this world an increasingly dangerous place , without US interference the Taliban would never have come to power , Saddam would never have lasted as long as he did and this shit wouldn't be happening now.
America should clean up it's own backyard before it tries to set itself up as a shining example of democracy .

Exactly they have tha choice 2 sign up thats exactly wat i meant, i no and most people who r going in2 tha military no there lives belong 2 tha military for tha next 4 years tha point is they have tha choice 2 join and unless theres a draft no1s forcing them.and as far as america being arrogant thats our government i no it sucks i cant stand bush but most people think tha wars wrong so dont fuck wit americans jus for being american i would neva say that a person should go 2 hell or die jus because of who they are.and 2 psychocat im not goin against u i have more respect 4 soldiers than n e thing else.

[NowhereMan]

The only war I would go to is a war against you "freedom fighters" (neo-nazi America).

and who and what would that be?
wtf is a neo-nazi freedom fighter?

[koshea]

wow i just lost about all respect for the people posting the extremley ignorant posts about america.

on the otherhand, i have a newfound respect for torog

sedater and psychocat, ive had just about enough. pacifistic ways are good in theory, but so is communism.

and do you really think INDIA is going to be a countries with liberties? hah..i laugh at you, especially becuase you hate the USA becuase of the war in IRAQ, but you faild to not be a hypocrite and hate INDIA over the war in kashmere, or were you to uninformed to make that connection.

freedom comes with a price, and yes that price is sometimes death. and in the eyes of me, and probally any other person with a grip on reality, you look like a selfish sonofabitch, taking our freedoms for granted, if we were in an opressed country, with a tyrant leader, killing citizens left and right, at will, raping women, living in a constant sense of fear that you may be next, would you want a country to come in and give their OWN LIVES to save you from your hell? do you have a mother or sister? what if one day some men busted into your house, grabbed them, and raped them. would you be ok with i? if so you are a sick soul. america does have just causes in iraq. the only reason you believe americas only reason was WOMD was becuase thats all the media focuses on. the media in america and across the world mainly makes its reports to make america look bad. yes we found no WOMD, but what did we do? we removed a tyrant from leadership. we saved an entire country from a living hell


but we had no right to go in there...right?

WRONG

we had all the right in the world to go in there

they harbor terrorists
they kill innocent citizens, one reason you hate america, but when iraq kills them by the dosens is ok isnt it? because they arent a WESTERN country..
we had a very good idea that there was a possibility of WOMD, we were wrong, but i guess saving the lives of millions of iraquis are no consolation...

and for whoever said it was for finantial gain...wow...i want beat you with a stick for being so dumb

sending troops overseas...
money for food, supplies...
money for more enlistments...
aid to citizens of iraq...
reconstructing the cities...

all for pepsi and mcdonalds

your so brilliant! i would never have thought about it, we can make a few corporations expant .012% by spending only what? 470 billion dollars?...WOW YOUR FUCKING RETARDED


im sorry...i couldnt take the stupidity ANY MORE

[psychocat]

Firstly I'm not a pacifist of any description (I like fighting a lot) and I don't hate Americans in general , just those ignorant of the facts enough to believe that the troops are in Iraq to "liberate" the Iraqi people.
I don't care about WMD , I don't care about India , the title of the thread should be enough of a clue as to what this debate is about.
The US ""GOVERMENT"" and their ""COMMERCIAL BACKERS"" are the true benificiaries of the war in Iraq , war is very lucrative for weapons manufacturers and the people charged with rebuilding the war torn area , Bush had backers during his election campaign who have a vested interest in the contracts to fix up what US forces blew the fuck out of.

US forces had no right to invade any country , and as for the war on terror and the hunt for those who harbour terrorists how about starting with Isreal.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevese...WarCrimes.html

The pepsi and bigmac comment was simply a reference to corporate America numbnuts not a literal statement.
And of course the US taxpayer is footing the bill while your politicians send even more brainwashed kids to their death in the name of God and the christian way of life.
Sounds to me like you aren't really much use for anything but cannon fodder!
Go for it Rambo !!! LMAO

[koshea]

um, i dont know where you live but in my american troops arent sent to war in the name of god and the christian way of life...that would be the islamic extremests killing thousands of innocent americans in the name of allah and the muslum way of life

thankyou