Should the U.S. have began started the current war in Iraq

[Torog]

Howdy Nullific,

Those who called themselves Christian in the past,were engaged in some forced conversion,but that was a couple of hundred years ago..Christianity today,is a source of good will and voluntary acceptance of Jesus Christ,as one's Lord and Saviour.

Today,Islam is the source of terrorism,brutality,slavery,torture,murder,forced conversion and violent conflict..it's the Christians who are being slaughtered with extreme prejudice,and the western world,is acting in defense of it's self..not on a Christian crusade against Islam,as your liberal masters and propagandists,would have you believe.

It's a simple choice..either you desire to live under 7th century Islam,or you will act in defense of modern civilization. Which is it ?

[Torog]

Nullific, you could make 2000 points, or you could just make 1 that tears apart his entire argument. It doesn't really matter with Torog.

Not saying that's a bad thing. He has a right to his 'opinion'.

((even if it's wrong.. -laughs-))

I've never seen Torog's opinion sway once that I can think of. And I've seen him in alot of opinion-based arguments. As I'm sure you have.

Howdy Encatuse,

Is that a compliment ? lol I can change my opinion-for instance,the Christian woman who treated the gay gals so badly on Wife Swap..I didn't see any call for that kind of behaviour..and in fact,found it to be reprehensible and without merit or cause.

I was raised to be a man about what I stand for,and to be man enough to admit when I'm wrong..which I will not hesitate to do so again,if I'm found to be wrong. For instance,there's a list in my head,of things that Bush is doing or planning on doing,that I don't approve of..but I will not reveal that list-if it degrades the will of the American people to fight terrorism and the countries that support,train and export them.

The Left-wing is intent on destroying the will and resolve,of Americans defending democracy and freedom..I will not aid and abett that..nor will I change my opinion on the war on terror..as it must be fought..the gauntlet has been thrown down,by muslim jihadists..they started this fight..and America,is going to finish it-whether you like it or not.

Have a good one....

[Encatuse]

..Christianity today,is a source of good will and voluntary acceptance of Jesus Christ,as one's Lord and Saviour.

Today, Islam is the source of terrorism,brutality,slavery,torture,murder,forced conversion and violent conflict..

I think those were two sentences that shouldn't be so close to eachother for fear of an oxymoron!

"We christians spread good will! I, as a christian, follow Jesus on his path of PEACE. Now let's go KILL muslims for personal gain!"

You can hear your hatred for muslims in your typing. You ALWAYS have something negative to say about either muslims or liberals. And you always bring up how christian you are as well. I've only got 10 or so years of practicing christianity behind me.. Probably nothing compared to you. But, I thought christianity was about love and turning the other cheek? Sounds like you need to rid yourself of the entire new testament, or maybe read it again.

But, as to the sticking to your opinion. I'd say it's somewhat of a compliment. I'm stubborn in my opinions as well.

[Nullific]

Those who called themselves Christian in the past,were engaged in some forced conversion,but that was a couple of hundred years ago..Christianity today,is a source of good will and voluntary acceptance of Jesus Christ,as one's Lord and Saviour.

Today,Islam is the source of terrorism,brutality,slavery,torture,murder,forced conversion and violent conflict..it's the Christians who are being slaughtered with extreme prejudice,and the western world,is acting in defense of it's self..not on a Christian crusade against Islam,as your liberal masters and propagandists,would have you believe.

It's a simple choice..either you desire to live under 7th century Islam,or you will act in defense of modern civilization. Which is it?

Do you not get it?
This is a fantastic example of history repeating in our modern 'civilized' world.
No one ever said all christians were bad in the past, but there were some with ulterior motives who had power and used religion as an excuse for control. Those are the ones who called upon the crusades and forced people to convert.
Now we have a newer religion that has authoritive figures with power who can use the religion for control. This certainly does not mean all muslims are evil or part of this plot to convert everyone to Islam. It is Islams turn, so to speak, to convert people with violence. Most organized religions of the past including the still practiced christianity have done this, the religion will gain popularity until people come to their senses and then in another few thousand years a new religion will emerge and history will repeat again.
Engaging in war with countries with high muslim populations is only feeding to the problem. Do you have any idea how many times America and the Jesus defender has pissed the middle east off?
You think giving them food and half assed aid is going to help settle their negative emotions towards America?
Say this is going on and all the muslims are in a plot to conver the world with violence, what are you going to do to stop them? Bomb them and kill them? What kind of logic is that?

[Torog]

Do you not get it?
This is a fantastic example of history repeating in our modern 'civilized' world.
No one ever said all christians were bad in the past, but there were some with ulterior motives who had power and used religion as an excuse for control. Those are the ones who called upon the crusades and forced people to convert.
Now we have a newer religion that has authoritive figures with power who can use the religion for control. This certainly does not mean all muslims are evil or part of this plot to convert everyone to Islam. It is Islams turn, so to speak, to convert people with violence. Most organized religions of the past including the still practiced christianity have done this, the religion will gain popularity until people come to their senses and then in another few thousand years a new religion will emerge and history will repeat again.
Engaging in war with countries with high muslim populations is only feeding to the problem. Do you have any idea how many times America and the Jesus defender has pissed the middle east off?
You think giving them food and half assed aid is going to help settle their negative emotions towards America?
Say this is going on and all the muslims are in a plot to conver the world with violence, what are you going to do to stop them? Bomb them and kill them? What kind of logic is that?

Howdy Nullific,

Yup..I git it..history is indeed repeating it's self..once again..we must stop the muslim horde from rising up and dragging us all back to the 7th century..the koran,demands that the world be turned into an islamic state..kinda like the commie's manefesto,which demands the world be a communist state.

Since 9/11,I don't give a damn-how many muslims we piss off-if those muslims want America to be destroyed,and therefore,democracy and freedom,and if they refuse to acknowledge Israel's Statehood..then they can all kiss my big red,hairy,pimpled,redneck butt !

Since we toppled saddam and sons,Quadafy of Libya,gave up their wmd program..and the rest of the dictators are sh*ttin little green apples !

You ask:" You think giving them food and half assed aid is going to help settle their negative emotions towards America? "

For many,it does..they are just dang lucky,it's America there and not the russians or commie chinese..there would be no aid..and most of the country and people,would be laid to waste and killed.

You say:"Say this is going on and all the muslims are in a plot to conver the world with violence, what are you going to do to stop them? Bomb them and kill them? What kind of logic is that?"

The problem mostly lies with the leadership of muslim countries that are hostile to the West,the folks in those countries,want to be free of the brutal shackles of fundy islam..we'll just cut the head off the snake..and Freedom will rise.

The 'logic' of toppleing saddam and sons,has worked very well..and is continuing to pay off..like the pullback of syrian troops.

It all boils down to this..either you will defend modern society..or you will be dragged back to the 7th century..your choice.

[NowhereMan]

first of all im sorry your uncle died in the solomans. so your saying that you STOPPED the greatest genocide ever by creating the biggest genocide ever? i dont understand that at all. if i was so moronic as to say that you were losing to the japenese why do you go on to say that the only choice you had other than invading was to bomb them then? you say you ended it with a few bombs other than a few thousand 20 year old farm boys lives. well a few thousand isnt as much as a few million (i think it was around that many i dont know) personally i think bombing them was taking the easy way out. anyone can do that. americans are always boasting about there superior army so why didnt you invade them and prove it? i think the japs would've won if you would have invaded because they would've never given up. i think you saw this and thats why you annialated them. just my opinion take it as you see fit. looking forward to ur reply.

wasnt a matter of who would have won
its at what cost
no way japan could of lasted but the nuking broke the will of the people to fight and now japan is a nation of prosperous industry
and not a riunt historic relic of past nations

and we do have the best military
and that includes smart enough people to not kill off his own soldiers when he can kill off the ENEMY without doing so
that you cliam it was so how wrong to kill off millions to save thousands is bullshit when the society you speak of was in fact a brutal agressive domination minded war based one
the one way wasnt a nuke, but those farm boys needed not die becuase some OTHER NATIONS ruler could not see he was beat
it took two cities being vaporized to show them america couldnt be beat and they stopped,
war is hell

[amsterdam]

believe it or not but dropping those bombs saved alot of lives on both sides.we were just quicker on the draw as always.

[Nullific]

Yup..I git it..history is indeed repeating it's self..once again..we must stop the muslim horde from rising up and dragging us all back to the 7th century..the koran,demands that the world be turned into an islamic state..kinda like the commie's manefesto,which demands the world be a communist state.

Oh like no other organized religions call for it to be one and only. Not every muslim is an extremist, they are not going to invade the US and try to force their religion upon us...I think we have enough Christians doing that all ready.

Since 9/11,I don't give a damn-how many muslims we piss off-if those muslims want America to be destroyed,and therefore,democracy and freedom,and if they refuse to acknowledge Israel's Statehood..then they can all kiss my big red,hairy,pimpled,redneck butt !

And why do you think this extremist terrorist group attacked us? No, it is not because they 'hate freedom' as Bush would want you to believe. We've been pissing them off for decades.

For many,it does..they are just dang lucky,it's America there and not the russians or commie chinese..there would be no aid..and most of the country and people,would be laid to waste and killed.

I disagree: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...nsequence3.asp

The problem mostly lies with the leadership of muslim countries that are hostile to the West,the folks in those countries,want to be free of the brutal shackles of fundy islam..we'll just cut the head off the snake..and Freedom will rise.

If these people wanted to be free they should revolt. Perhaps this could have happened peacefully, maybe they need foreign aid...but not all out America "Fuck Yeah" intervention. We do this a lot, and end up sticking around in the country for long periods of time and create more of a mess than there was to begin with.

[amsterdam]

these are people that have been pissed on for a hundred years.they have watched family members get their tongues cut out.do you really believe if you had grown up in a country like this you as a 16 year old kid would stand up and revolt,NO.

Their schools teach them the crap they believe.my friends from school used to tell me stories about the silly shit they teach them.and guess what,once they came here for school they realized what a load of shit it was.

have you been to america?or just seen the movie?

why have more muslim immigrants come to this country in the last 4 years than ever before?are they brainwashed too?c'mon!stop reading those silly ass web-sites with nothing but bullshit in them.i went and read them.they are for the gullible and left out so they can find a meaning in things they dont understand.

[Nullific]

So globalissues.org is a silly website? Despite it being nonprofit and independently operated you're going to discredit it like that?
http://www.globalissues.org/about.asp
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media.asp