Gigli, you certainly take a lot of space to prove a point. I guess being right is very important to you. All I have to say about all of this is: What the hell are we doing in Iraq? Also What the hell do we hope to accomplish in either Iraq or Afganistan? Maybe you've never heard of common sense, like spending a trillion dollars on wars so the oil companies can control the oil in Iraq and the Unocal Pipeline in Afganistan might not be in the interest of American taxpayers. Or that spilling American blood for Iraqi oil might not be in the best interest of those fallen soldiers or their mothers. Controlling Iraq is only in the interest of the elites and the corporations. Tell me what benefits there are to the average Americans. You can quote all of history about Iraq and Afganistan and never convince me that the USA is there to help the people of those countries. They are there for financial gain at the expence of the American taxpayer. It would be cheaper just to give the money to the war contractors and the oil companies and bring the troops home, but you see,. there are those little oil contract thingys ~LOL~ yeah we're certainly there to help joe public, ~LOL~.