Med you werent packing heat in the bar?lol just kidding if you were you would be in jail right now so its a good thing you werent.I totally agree with you mr devious and that brings up a good point,i have a friend who studied and spent a number of years in China and upon his return to Canada he asked me what i thought of the chinese people so i said well they seem like a very polite race of people very timid always happy that kind of thing.Well he went on to say that they are trained that way from birth from the time they start school the teachers are trained to spot the strong willed kids and to humiliate him any way possible to punish the kid at any sign of rebellion.So pretty soon you have a population of people that become subserviant to the government.So maybe this is the western way of doing it and if the kid becomes untrainable by the time he becomes an adult then we throw his ass in jail.