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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    We've now finished the first two presidential debates, both on MSNBC. Pundits are debating whether they will make a difference in the race, but one thing is very clear: It's business as usual for the media moderating these things. The Democrats were treated to an amiable chit-chat among friends. The Republicans took round after round of hostile fire from enemies. Nothing ever changes. The Democrats are spoiled like rotten kids, and the Republicans are invited to sleep on a bed of nails â?? and do so willingly.

    But the dynamic now has been made even worse by the petulant petitions and protests of the censorious left, the ones who claim to be "democrats" but want to remove Fox News Channel from the news media. Leftists believe in a media strategy with all the sophistication of holding your breath and turning blue. Fox hatred is required. On the Huffington Post, author Carol Hoenig argued the Democrats should debate on Fox. Even so, her article was headlined "Fox News: A Cancer on Society."

    It's about time the GOP put an end to this charade by refusing to debate on CNN or MSNBC when they employ left-wing political pundits who throw roses at liberal politicians while they hurl invective at Republicans. So why don't they take a stand? Because they're afraid of the consequences. The Democrats can refuse to debate on Fox News, and the other networks chortle. If the Republicans refuse to debate on MSNBC, they infuriate NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, PBS and NPR.

    So what? What are these networks going to do in retaliation? Stop covering them? The news media need both parties as much as the parties need the news media. Conservatives and Republicans should stop taking this longstanding injustice sitting down â?? and if they take a stand, their supporters will cheer.

    The left-wing campaign to "unseat" Fox News (as the anti-Fox "News Hounds" blog calls it) should be a rallying cry for the GOP. If the left wants to assert that Fox is not a "legitimate" news channel, then the right should go to the mattresses to reply that the so-called "mainstream" media are an illegitimate gang of shameless Democratic partisans with James Carville on their speed dial.

    The left is deadly serious, making it crystal clear that it's not a joke when radio hosts warn about them cracking down on conservative speech with a new "Fairness Doctrine" if the Democrats take control of both Congress and the White House. They will go from merely turning down Fox invitations to turning off conservative talk radio.

    What should conservatives do? Start with the debates. Conservatives probably cannot expect to face moderators who don't have Democratic politics on their resume, from Tim Russert to George Stephanopoulos to Chris Matthews to even Brian Williams (if you count being an intern in the Carter White House). This should not necessarily be a disqualifier. Let's remember that some anchors without party jobs in their past (Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill, both of PBS) have regularly leaned left in their debate performances. But Republicans and conservatives ought to be more forceful in demanding fairness and balance in the questioning these moderators provide.

    The first line of defense has to come from the contenders themselves. On several occasions in the GOP debate, Mitt Romney mildly protested the premise of liberal questions that emerged. Chris Matthews asked, with a straight face: "Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?" "You have got to be kidding," Romney replied, a good answer that exposed this for what it was: a question straight from the liberal template.

    The Washington Post refugees at Politico.com asked Romney another loaded question: "What do you dislike most about America?" One might argue that the ex-Posties were merely forwarding the Voice of the People, but of course they're choosing from a flood of e-mails, and to select something that dopey reeks of bad, and partisan, judgment. Can you imagine the uproar if Fox asked Howard Dean that one in the 2004 cycle?

    Next, the GOP debate negotiators should start playing hardball and protesting up front when potential moderators are suggested. They ought not to suggest, but demand, a Brit Hume or a Chris Wallace as moderators. Further, they ought to do more to press for a panel of questioners to allow more diversity in questioning.

    In fact, why don't the Republicans just have a presidential debate on radio with talk-show host moderators? Invite Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and so on to be the questioners. Why do Republicans always insist on playing by liberal media rules, on their field?

    Finally, Republicans should mock the Democratic withdrawal from Fox with a loud, continuing question: How will Hillary and Co. handle Osama bin Laden when they don't have the courage to handle questioning from Brit Hume?

    L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center.
    Spoiled Democrats and Debates - Yahoo! News

    Typical "cut and run" tactics by the Dems again.............

    The Republican candidates had their debate on MSNBC or "Tree Huggers R Us", now the Dems show their TRUE colors of being yellow instead of blue.

    Have a good one!:s4:
    Psycho4Bud Reviewed by Psycho4Bud on . Spoiled Democrats and Debates We've now finished the first two presidential debates, both on MSNBC. Pundits are debating whether they will make a difference in the race, but one thing is very clear: It's business as usual for the media moderating these things. The Democrats were treated to an amiable chit-chat among friends. The Republicans took round after round of hostile fire from enemies. Nothing ever changes. The Democrats are spoiled like rotten kids, and the Republicans are invited to sleep on a bed of nails â?? and Rating: 5

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    In recent weeks, Democrats, including the front runners for the party's presidential nomination, have blasted the Bush Administration for the purportedly political firings of 8 US Attorneys. (Nevermind that Hilary Clinton admits, that if elected she would replace all of Bush's appointees to the position.) The scandal, if it can be such when the public largely yawns, is the latest in a line of (sometimes valid) charges that Bush eliminates dissent. Yet there is a limit to the dissent tolerated by Clinton and her fellow Senators Edwards and Obama-if they don't like it, it's not okay.

    Accordingly they have decided they just can't appear at a Fox News (and Congressional Black Caucus) sponsored debate. Edwards, the first to withdraw, said, "There's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending to be objective." He then said that CNN would be a better debate venue. (Evidently, he feels that being a hero of the blogosphere will make up for the fact that according to Nielsen ratings, Fox draws nearly twice as many viewers as CNN.)

    While Fox is clearly more than a right-wing muckraker, there is little doubt that it has a conservative orientation. Yet, there is also no denying that much of the rest of the media, including CNN, has a liberal bias. This fact is so obvious, that Pew Institute surveys reveal that among Independents, certainly not the President's core constituency, a full 1/3 believe the press treats Bush unfairly. Fox CEO Rupert Murdoch might be an arrogant, outspoken, conservative, but change conservative to liberal and you have a very accurate description of Ted Turner (CNN's CEO).

    Beyond the troubling fact that Democrats still feel the best way to score points in the primary is to bash all things Republican, it is unfortunate that presidential candidates would ignore the millions whose main news source is Fox. Will they next refuse to speak to millions of gun owners or Evangelicals? "Even" President Bush eventually spoke to the NAACP, adding his own voice to that forum despite its bias. He kept listening and he certainly kept talking. For once, Democrats should follow his lead.

    In a society that is often politically apathetic, it is the duty of leaders to go to the voters and citizens-or at the very least, to make the effort. Franklin Roosevelt, one of the first modern Democrats, perfected that notion with his fireside chats and America responded. What if he, objecting to the political leanings of radio producers in Hawaii, had refused to be heard there? If Democrats want to talk about real solutions for Iraq or health care or anything at all, they need to talk to those Americans affected by those issues, many of whom do watch Fox News. Unfortunately they have decided not to do so.

    America was built on diverse political opinions-the Federalists and Anti-Federalists make Republicans and Democrats look like friends-and it will continue to find strength there. More diversity of opinion would certainly have been beneficial regarding Iraq. When the next "Iraq" occurs, will the Democrats allow any more diversity of thought than the man they criticize so fervently? (Joe Lieberman has an answer.)

    Bias is not inherently bad, as long as it is equally distributed and not disguised. Fox's much maligned slogan, "We Report, You Decide" is true. That's what Americans should do-take in news, evaluate it, and then make a decision. For three years that's been my goal for this column, to spread knowledge, provoke thought, and encourage discussion. I don't deny bias, but hope I've always been fair-minded. Thanks to those who have "listened" and then spoke out. I hope you will do the same both in Ripon and beyond. So adieu, farewell, and may God continue to bless America-with both strong leaders and those who are worthy to challenge them.
    Fox silences chicken Democrats - Opinion

    "Accordingly they have decided they just can't appear at a Fox News (and Congressional Black Caucus) sponsored debate"

    Ignoring the Congressional Black Caucus.........tsk, tsk..........won't they let Hillary speak in her Southern Drawl as if she were visiting with Al Sharpton?

    Have a good one!:s4:

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    They will go from merely turning down Fox invitations to turning off conservative talk radio.
    We can only hope they'll get rid of venemous assholes like Rush Limbaugh. He sure lived up to his name, "Rush" I'll bet he was gettin lots of rushs from his oxycontin addiction,and that from an anti-drug asshole that used to rant and rave about drug dealers gettin light sentences, and didn't get any jailtime himself for his illegal activity, Hypocritical nonsense at its peak.

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    Here's a bit of liberal bias courtesy of Jon Stewart. Seriously though, is liberal bias the best defense repubs are coming up with following the uninspiring debates? If the Right is looking for another Ronald Reagan to rally their much damaged party, they won't find him in that line up. But why face the truth when you can Spin. It seems to be a common theme, when you can't do something yourself (even with both houses of congress, the judicial AND the executive branches controlled by one party) blame it on the Democrats.

    Crooks and Liars » Jon Stewart Analyzes The Republican Presidential Debate
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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    DEMS refuse to debate on FOX and this is the best excuse you people can come up with? It would surely would be an issue if the Republicans refused to debate on MSNBC though...right?

    I think it's healthy for each party to take a beating just to "try" to find out where they really stand. Hell, the republicans answered to questions about abortion rights, stem cell research.........what is it that the Dems are so damn afraid of?

    I suppose they could limit questioning to womens rights and black rights so they don't cry foul.

    Have a good one!:s4:

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    :S2: BUMP!:S2:

    Have a good one!:s4:

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    RamblerGambler;1428342 "If the Right is looking for another Ronald Reagan to rally their much damaged party, they won't find him in that line up."

    Actually Jim Gilmore supports the Reagan Values, and wants to return them to the rebulican party. Plus he is an nra board member which is a plus in my book.

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    But do you agree none of them possess the same charisma? The line up is even more tired I've ever seen before, and I used to be a republican!
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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    Quote Originally Posted by RamblerGambler
    But do you agree none of them possess the same charisma? The line up is even more tired I've ever seen before, and I used to be a republican!
    At least they're out there on BOTH scheduled debates....

    Have a good one!:s4:

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    Spoiled Democrats and Debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
    I think it's healthy for each party to take a beating just to "try" to find out where they really stand. Hell, the republicans answered to questions about abortion rights, stem cell research.........what is it that the Dems are so damn afraid of?
    you don't show your hand when you're bluffing:

    with their party riding high in a wave of media driven bush hatred, the last thing the dems want is for the public to get a good look at nuts and bolts of their agenda. with their recent history of temporary band-aids and whining defeatism, the last thing they need is for the voters to see the yawning void behind the rhetoric.

    meanwhile:

    with the current administration's bungling of everything they set their hand to, the reps are desperately trying to get the message out that they are more than just a one trick pony. they must use every venue to distance themselves from bush and company's futile tactics and bring attention to some of their more profitable ideas.

    in short:

    if this election is centered solely on our fiasco in the middle east, then we are doomed to at least four years of do-nothing social programs and ivory tower theatrics. if the public is more interested in the workings of government than its pie in the sky facade, then we might be stuck with more of the same two faced piety that has brought us to this sorry pass.

    somebody please tell me:

    how do you choose the lesser of two evils when they are both equally insane?

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