Quote Originally Posted by darth stoner
If you got burned, you would have learned not to touch the stove anyway. Humans, like other animals, also learn by trial and error.

Yeah, and? The whole point is that I learned without requiring that particular painful experience. I'd never consider saying you can't learn by trial and error, but you don't seem to want to grant the point at all that one might learn another way.



Please, do invalidate what I said from a logical standpoint, instead of attempting to nullify it through subjective words.

That's the just the thing. This is a completely subjective matter. You're throwing out a lot of "what if" scenarios, but don't seem to think mine hold water. Maybe they don't. But the flaws of logic you see in my reasoning exist also within your own. You're just not acknowledging them at all. It's very confusing.

By saying they think it's a sacrifice worth their lives, you're agreeing with what I said. Would they think that way if they didn't believe in Islam ?

I'm sorry. You worded it earlier so that it seemed your point was that only people who believed in the virgins of the afterlife would be willing to sacrifice themselves for that cause. I just think sacrifice has a similar mindset regardless of the cause itself. Hence, I see dedication of the monk and the terrorist on a very similar level, even though I disagree with the actions. But I think it's a mistake to confuse the two.

And no, I'm not agreeing with you. That's just something else you're not understanding...

your answers look a bit premeditated. (this is an observation, not an attack)

I would never feel attacked by the suggestion that there might be some actual thought behind what I say. I look forward to a well meditated response.
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