How much further can you pull back?

[darth stoner]

And in addition, I guess I have to explain... It's hypocritical to assert that people need evidence to believe things, but then provide none. We're all just supposed to take your word on the matter I suppose, but honestly you're not that convincing.

I didn't say you should believe my sentence, I simple said believing without evidence is bad. You have a mind to decide on your own, if you think I was trying to force that down on you, then you've misinterpreted my words and failed to understand the point I was making.

If you believe without evidence, then:

- Unicorns exist.
- Fairies exist.
- Angels exist.
- Mars has complex life hiding from us.
- The cookie monster is also hiding, but he certainly exists.
- Zeus is the real god and is having a really nice laugh at the whole western religion thing.

Are all valid examples. If you say believing without evidence is good, then the only possible logical outcome is to say the above sentences are not ridiculous. Do you agree they are not ?


Your stove example demonstrates an interesting point tho, ironically there's also a scientific explanation for that.

As childs, we're programmed to believe whatever our parents tell us. That's how we manage to stay alive during these years where we'd otherwise jump off a cliff to see what happens. You can override this programming (curiosity), but if you think back, you had a strange feeling that it would be better to trust what your parents told you.

Sadly, that's why religion still thrives after so much time. Children are indocrinated at an early age and the genetic programming tells them to believe whatever their parents are telling them.

I suspect your definition of religion if very different from that of most religious people.

define:religion - Google Search

And that's sad, because you think you're proving something, but actually you're completely missing the point...

"Hypocrisy is the act of condemning another person, where the stated basis for the criticism is the breach of a rule which also applies to the critic. A person engaged in hypocrisy is called a hypocrite."

How can you be so sure of what I'm thinking I'm proving ?

Actually, I think this is a horrible example. You presume that any suicide attack or total commitment is impossible without belief of immortality. And that's clearly false. I don't think there are any virgins waiting for me, but that doesn't mean I can't think of some things that I think are worth dying for. Can't you?

I didn't presume anything, you're taking my words out of context.

Now reflect and think why you've never seen a buddhist or a christian guy taking two planes and stuffing them on two towers. No, religion isn't the only possible answer, but why do we only see such things coming from islam?

Because they really believe what their magic book says, and in their twisted minds, there are really virgins and eternal joy waiting.