Quote Originally Posted by afghooey
Actually, from a purely logical and reasonable point, I still see more evidence of god's existence than non-existence.

The thing is, what you might define as evidence completely depends on your definition of god. If I was to set out on the daunting task of trying to prove the judeo-christian god of the old testament real, I would be hard pressed to find reasonable evidence of his existence beyond some millenia-old scriptures.

The biggest piece of evidence that I can think of in support of the existence of God (at least, as relating to my personal understanding of God) is intelligence. Here is one thing that I don't need to prove to anyone; intelligence exists, and we ourselves are living, breathing and thinking proof of it. All that's left to speculate is where the boundaries between 'intelligent' and 'non-intelligent' lie or whether boundaries even exist at all, which is quite debatable depending on your definition of intelligence.

That said, it seems incredibly illogical to me that we, as intelligent beings, are somehow an expression of an unintelligent universe. How exactly can something that is conscious and alive come to exist from something unconscious and inanimate? It just doesn't make a mote of sense to me.

Some people will attribute this to god; that is, to an external force that brought intelligence into existence among non-intelligence. Personally, I think it makes more sense that the boundaries between intelligence and non-intelligence are illusions that we have created, and that in truth the universe is a lot more intelligent than we give it credit for.
I would be inclined to think your definition of 'God' would match Einstein's God ("god" is the universe/nature itself and all the processes within, I agree with this definition altough I'd rather not call it "god"). If this is so, then I completely agree with you especially with your last paragraph, when you say the universe might be a lot more intelligent than what we think. Given that we are limited by our knowledge and locality (we only know a very tiny fraction of this universe - yet), what might look like chaotic and random events (galaxies merging, stars exploding etc) could be part of something bigger, something that we can't grasp because we only have a small set of the pieces in the big puzzle. That is a reasonable statement to make. Now, an uber-powerful creature who knows everything you think and will condemn you to eternal damnation if you don't believe in him, that is pure nonsense.
darth stoner Reviewed by darth stoner on . How much further can you pull back? First God was in the sky. We explored the sky and learned what was really up there. Then God was in space, beyond the sky. We explored space and learned what was really out there. Now God is in another dimension? Come one. When we're able to explore other dimensions, where will your God run to hide from science? In other news, here's a fun video: YouTube - Rational Response Squad takes on Christians on ABC Rating: 5