Quote Originally Posted by darth stoner
afghooey, now try to prove your point without refering back to the bible.

The big problem with doing that is that you're using a cyclical reference when you attempt to prove your point by quoting the bible.

You fail to realize that the bible contents holds no truth value to us.

As an example, imagine me saying Zeus is real and asking you how could you ever doubt it, and the single piece of evidence I'd give you to support my point of view is ancient greek mythology. You wouldn't be convinced, would you ? Yet, if I assumed the contents of their mythology to be true, then there would be no way you could possibly disprove me.

Nonbelievers do not need to prove anything, as there is not a single shred of evidence in support of the judeo-christian god (therefore, the "default" state is: there is no god). If you believe such an entity exists, then by all means prove it to us, without refering back to the bible and any of the literature there. And please don't try miracles.
I think you may have misinterpreted me here, I apologize if I wasn't clear enough.

Firstly, I wasn't trying to 'prove my point' by quoting the bible, I was merely using it as an illustration to my point. Secondly, though yes I was trying to make a point, I'm not out to prove anything to you.

Thirdly, my entire point in the first place was that you can't rely on anyone's definition of God except your own. That includes mine (which doesn't happen to be that of the classic judeo-christian god anyway).