You must mean like the statements that we're trapped in an unwinnable war, etc... Absolutely, that's one of the truest statements ever posted on this site. If you're so smart, tell me how we can win this un-winnable war. The fact is we've already lost. Let me tell you how we've lost : 1. 3300+++ American lives--- 25,000 wounded+. 2. 100,000-800,000 Dead Iraqis. 3. 1,000,000,000,000 Bucks in the toilet, the national debt headed past the moon. 4.world opinion is in the toilet, we're the most hated country on the planet. 5. The assholes see winning as killing thousands more, you can't win an insurgency from a foriegn invaders standpoint, it's never been done before, look at Palestine, they are still fighting. as long as we are in Iraq, there will be insurgents. Now give me your winning plan and please describe what we will win!