From Fetus to Baby

[Torog]

Howdy Ammie,

I agree with what you're saying,as a father,I felt my daughter moving and kicking,in her mother's womb,I listened to her heartbeat..long before she was born..she was real and a seperate entity-all on her own. I believe that I even know the night she was concieved,I experienced something something I haven't felt since..as I have but one child. It was like I felt my daughter's soul..enter..it was a sensation,that was seperate and distinct,from that of climax. Did you ever feel that ? Even my wife commented on how our experience was different-that night.

God bless you and your children..I'm certain ,that you'll be re-united with your child,that returned home to God..and that you will finally be made whole.

Have a good one...Torog

[Ed Ward MD]

www.omsoul.com/pdfs/K-HTP.pdf

[Ammie]

Howdy Ammie,


God bless you and your children..I'm certain ,that you'll be re-united with your child,that returned home to God..and that you will finally be made whole.

Have a good one...Torog

Thats what got me thru it Torog and even tho many dont belive that i do hole heartly and thats what gets me thru



and yes when my childern were concieved i also felt it everytime i told my husband guess what were gunna have another baby in 9 mos and everytime he would say to me I know......weird but true

[maryjanemama]

www.omsoul.com/pdfs/K-HTP.pdf

I could only get the first page to work, I have to download the Adobe update. I will Google birth control pills later and find out for myself.

I'm very confused as to what the whole purpose of this thread is...are we talking about abortion? Or when a fetus is viable? Because that would be a purely scientific question and no one's opinion would matter at all.

I'm prochoice. I am totally and absolutely against late term abortion, though, unless it is necessary to save the woman's life. Just because I am the mother of 3 doesn't mean I don't support another woman's right to make her own decision.

[NowhereMan]

I could only get the first page to work, I have to download the Adobe update. I will Google birth control pills later and find out for myself.

I'm very confused as to what the whole purpose of this thread is...are we talking about abortion? Or when a fetus is viable? Because that would be a purely scientific question and no one's opinion would matter at all.

I'm prochoice. I am totally and absolutely against late term abortion, though, unless it is necessary to save the woman's life. Just because I am the mother of 3 doesn't mean I don't support another woman's right to make her own decision.

abortion is a many faceted subject.
i am all for the fact that the baby is alive when conceaved and any taking of life is killing,be it a embryo,or breathing air.
its alive and its human dna there,it aint known what type yet, normal ,if there is such a thing, or abnormal like defected genetics and missing the ones needed to complete the anatomy or even the brain entirely when growing,damage is done to them by unfit mothers who smoke crack and by natures odds itself,genetic defects like MS and handicapped people from birth are throughout the ages been with us,we call some deseases birth defects.

thus we have birth defects that plague the most vunerable,the babys.
sorry to hear about your loss ammie,lots of young mothers get over stressed bodies and lose kids,its just matter of odds,so many people ask why my kid and i have no clue iether im just glad ive never had that trajic event losing a kid is something no parent should have to go thru,its shockin how so many unfit mothers have healthy kids and you can take some chick who takes care of herself and go by doc orders ect,and still things go so very wrong.
as a man i cant fathom carrying a kid in me,other than in my head the thoughts of my kids are never missing they are constant and forever

some people have some limit to it,the abortion thing tri mesters??
all i can say is this,
the father of that kid has no say so,he cannot make that woman carry his child,he cannot make her NOT carry their child,
yet its his child too and once it is born well it all changes,
he is expected to pay for it,even it the mother and him have nothing to do with each other,too many do not pay anything to help riase thier own kids,
too many dont raise thier own kids period.too many abuse them and the system sure as hell fials them at every turn,

cant say i think anybody has a right to take any life that is not a Direct threat to thier own,or loved ones,

so a health issue would be in my view the only reason for abortion,
not becuase jonny forgot the rubber and susie was ovulating that night.

yes the world is crowded and population grows by leaps and bounds
and then you have some shit come along and kill about 150,000 folks in a day
so all arguements about crowded world and resourses are bullshit
there is enough for all people to eat well and live productive happy lives if greed could be cured.
peace

[maryjanemama]

I have a condition (which has been fixed) that caused my first son to be born too early. He was due on February 3, he was born on October 14. He was at 23/24 weeks gestation. Because of first rate doctors, nurses, surgeons and hospitals he is a healthy 8 year old boy with a few minor learning disabilities and he reacts like an Autistic child to certain stimuli but he is normal for the most part. In some states he could've been aborted at the same gestation he was born at! That is murder without a doubt. If someone cannot decide until she is that far along to abort, then she has no business being a part of the human race, either.

[Lulu]

I have a condition (which has been fixed) that caused my first son to be born too early. He was due on February 3, he was born on October 14. He was at 23/24 weeks gestation. Because of first rate doctors, nurses, surgeons and hospitals he is a healthy 8 year old boy with a few minor learning disabilities and he reacts like an Autistic child to certain stimuli but he is normal for the most part. In some states he could've been aborted at the same gestation he was born at! That is murder without a doubt. If someone cannot decide until she is that far along to abort, then she has no business being a part of the human race, either.

My friend's daughter was born at 22weeks gestation and she's fine, no problems other than she needs glasses. So when I think of babies being aborted at 24 weeks it turns my stomach and I wonder how it can ever be allowed to happen How can a woman do it to her child and also How can a Doctor perform such a hideous and brutal act

[juggalo420]

My friend's daughter was born at 22weeks gestation and she's fine, no problems other than she needs glasses. So when I think of babies being aborted at 24 weeks it turns my stomach and I wonder how it can ever be allowed to happen How can a woman do it to her child and also How can a Doctor perform such a hideous and brutal act

would it be less hidious if the child were born and and when the mother cant take care of it its put up in a orphanage until adoption or put into foster care or grow up in poverty, face it most ladies who choose abortions are teenagers. all the pro life people seem to give a s**t about the fetus but when its born they could care less about the welfare of it.

[maryjanemama]

Juggalo (sorry if I spelled it wrong), I am pro choice but only until about 12 weeks, after that if the mother's life is in danger. Waiting longer than that is just selfish as far as I'm concerned. No I would not want the child to grow up in poverty, and I would hope that a woman who couldn't afford a baby, but gave birth anyway, would put the child up for adoption. In my local newspaper there more and more ads everyday from couples wanting to adopt children.

[maryjanemama]

One more thought, I don't know if Lulu is pro choice or not, so I cannot speak for her but what I was trying to say is that in today's day and age a baby can live out of the womb at 22 weeks (not always, of course, as in Ammie's son's case). Can you honestly give me a reason (besides a danger to her health) why a woman who is 6 months pregnant would want an abortion? Purely selfish reasons...if she wanted to terminate the pregnancy why did she wait so long? At that point of gestation, there is a very good possiblity that the child could survive outside of the womb, so isn't that murder? In my eyes, it is.