chicago smoking ban, wtf !?!?

[pabloescobar209]

people just need to quit smoking period... the cats outa the bag, it kills you while doing nothing for you. It's time to wise up people.

[Bob the Awesome]

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago... My curtains are no longer yellow and my windshield is clean... I would have a harder time selling my house if I still smoked in it... I really can't see any advantages in smoking... I am all for the banning in resturants and public places,,,at one time I was dead set against it... Smoking is just plain bad...

So, if I've got this straight... you want to tell business owners what to do with their own privately-owned property because you couldn't control your smoking earlier in life? That seems a little harsh. I've had 7 cigars over a 2 year period, I don't enjoy smoking tobacco all that much but I don't want to go infringing upon people's property rights.

[Bob the Awesome]

Tobacco smoke does way too much harm to entitle any smoker the right to make other people inhale it.

Sorry for the double post, but I want to clarify my position. The issue here is you not wanting to have tobacco forced upon you. That's perfectly reasonable. We are meant to have a 'freedom of life', I think staying away from carcinogens counts.

However, you have no need to enter a bar. A bar is the owner's property, and what you're saying is many of you have made the mistake of smoking, and because of that, feel you should have power over his property. It's true this applies to things such as schools, hospitals, parks, and stuff paid for by tax money (as the general public 'owns' it) but I don't know where you all get off on thinking you can tell people what to do with their property. If you don't want to be around it, go somewhere else.

If there's a demand for smoke-free restaurants and bars, there will be smoke-free restaurants and bars. It follows the core principles of capitalism, and seeing as how here in Ohio many places were non-smoking before the ban, I have no reason to believe the system doesn't work.

I'd try reading up on this a little Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and familiarize yourself with many of the core principles that were taken into account by the Framers. Might help your understanding some.

[Cheery Cherry]

already has happened here.... how about the bitches that made this shit starts getting tickets for farting.... they don't feel i should be able to smoke around them cuz they don't want to smell/breath smoke, and i don't think they should be able to fart around me cuz i don't wanna smell/breath ass.... fuckers..

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[slipknotpsycho]

people just need to quit smoking period... the cats outa the bag, it kills you while doing nothing for you. It's time to wise up people.

i said it in the last cig thread and i'll say it again...

every ADDICTED smoker knows what it's doing to us... but it's so hard to just drop...

i think people think it's just as simple as dropping the cig and not picking them up.... believe me it's alot harder then that... a cig smoker, that has recently got on the path of quitting GREATLY resembles a crack-head that hasn't got his fix in a few days.... by 48 hours into no cigs, you're ready to do anything for a cig, even kill.... it's just that strong of an addiction.... it takes the strongest willed people to kick it for good...

no smoker smokes anymore cuz it makes them cool, or it gets them high or w/e... we're just addicted.... hopelessly addicted you could say... we know well what it's doing to us... it's not like there's some big secret that us smokers keep refusing to believe.... we plain well know what it's doing... the problem is it's one of the strongest, and wide spread deadly addictions in the world...

in short, it's not as easy as everyoen seems to think to quit... you don't just say 'i don't wanna do this anymore' and quit... if it were that easy, the only smokers would be the middle-high school kids that thinks it makes them look older and cooler...

[Its a Plant]

Yeah dude, you're lucky it's just now hitting up north in Illinois. It's been hell down in central Illinois for a while now. What's funny is that 2nd-hand smoke has been proven to not be NEARLY as dangerous as people lead us to believe. The only way you can get lung cancer from 2nd-hand smoke is if you're exposed to it for a long, long period of time. And if you are indeed exposed to that crap for a long period of time, it's your own fault for not doing anything about it and moving away from it.

Non-smokers complain about the smoke because they think they'll get cancer if they sit down in a restaurant for 20 minutes while someone smokes behind them. If you don't like it, don't go to that restaurant, just like if you don't want to smoke, don't smoke. When the govt. starts to take away choices, only leaving one option, it kinda makes me wonder "why get us addicted to cigs if you're not going to let us smoke them anywhere?"

I can see them banning smoking in restaurants, but come on, bars too? People that go into bars most likely aren't going for the family-friendly environment. They go for the drinks and what used to be a few smokes.

Bottom line: it should be up to the individual business owner whether or not he/she wants to ban smoking, bar none. Individual rights are slowly being whisked away from us. Soon, we won't be able to blow bubbles with our bubblegum because it might pop and get on some poor old lady. ~

[Tomthehippie]

iv quite no probs. quite bout 4 years ago. best thing i ever did!

[MacWQ33]

I see the point with smokers who don't like the ban.

See, the reason I don't like people smoking in a public place has nothing to do with cancer or addiction. I actually have a few butts a month when I drink (sometimes I don't feel like one, sometimes I do...used to buy packs for the weekends but got tired of it.). Anyway, if I'm at a bar or whatever and want a butt, I have no problem going outside...in fact I would do it without a ban. Cigarette smoke is annoying and just makes an enclosed place not as 'clean' for some reason. It's just common courtesy, a lot of people don't like it...

And even people who smoke, would you really want to hang out in a place where 100% of people were fishbowling the bar with tobacco smoke...yuck.

[suhl]

if you think smoking bans are fair or good, you dont understand logic in its simplest form and need to get killed

[slipknotpsycho]

I see the point with smokers who don't like the ban.

See, the reason I don't like people smoking in a public place has nothing to do with cancer or addiction. I actually have a few butts a month when I drink (sometimes I don't feel like one, sometimes I do...used to buy packs for the weekends but got tired of it.). Anyway, if I'm at a bar or whatever and want a butt, I have no problem going outside...in fact I would do it without a ban. Cigarette smoke is annoying and just makes an enclosed place not as 'clean' for some reason. It's just common courtesy, a lot of people don't like it...

And even people who smoke, would you really want to hang out in a place where 100% of people were fishbowling the bar with tobacco smoke...yuck.

no but that doesn't actually ever happen... i enjoy being able to breathe... but i have never been anywhere where even 80% are smoking.... it's usually more half and half...

in all honesty, if it were that smokey, i'd move to another place... it's not that hard to do....