first, my expensive Barney's Farm Willie Nelsons were NOT mailed in an un-opened breeders package, - there were ten seeds in a small vial with a piece of scotch tape on the lid, and a corner-slice of the Barneys hologram-type label enclosed .. (I still have it) ... does that sound kosher to anyone ? ... also, in my e-mails, I carefully explained I am a 40+ year grower, and the good reasons why I KNOW the seeds were un-viable .... however, the ten free 'SourJack' seeds, mailed in the same envelope as the Willies, were viable, and germinated in 4-8 hours, VERY fresh seeds ... that demonstrated more evidence the Willies were no good, as IF the mailed package went thru seed-damaging X-ray, etc, OR I am a fuck-up grower, the Sourjacks would also have been NO GOOD ... I only answer your question, as I feel you have need to know - I KNOW what I'm talking about, and was growing grass before most of you were born (literally) ... anyway,, I'm finished with this matter - everyone can, and will, buy seeds wherever they care to, I only point out my results from Growshop Alien - I am currently accumulating my own seed-strains, and IF future seed-purchases are necessary, they will be from HEMP DEPOT - and, if Hemp Depot makes me unhappy, fuck them, too :jointsmile: