freewheelinfrank sorry to hear that , there customer support isnt the fastest and there is a language barrier but they responded to both my emails. Also they admitted they made a mistake that they never sent out my second half of my order and corrected it quickly. Then today I get more hashberry and ak48 seeds. I can only go from my experience the seeds I got came in unopened breeders packs and if they dont germ I would blame that on the breeder. I think they might have been burned from people in the past is why there doubtful about non-germing seeds. Did you try getting them to respond to you in there order forums???. They came though for me so I will order from them again Possibly a high grade strain im thinking sage or sage & sour. I wish they carried tga subcool seeds a few of there strains look real nice.