Thought you ladies may be interested..

[cannabis=freedom]

There is life in everything, we do consume life everyday. I won't cut a tree down if it is not needed, nor will I pull up carrots or onions from my garden if I don't intend on using them. Plant have just as much determination to survive as any other living things using every last resource to protect it's existance of itself and the extention of it's life through procreating. This theory alone is what brings us all here by smoking a plant that has given it's every bit of energy for the best oppertunity to reproduce while we deprive it of the chance.

Our main goal in life is survival, survival of ourselves, and survival of our species. A tumor is an abnormal formation of cells that threaten our wellbeing, a tape worm parasite sucking our nourishment both for their own survival. A fetus may be a parasite but is what our bodies are designed to host and accomidate, a womans whole body is designed to feed and house a human fetus, and a man is designed to impregnate. The reason we eat, breathe, excrete toxins, is to survive to make a new human to make a new human to ensure survival. That is the difference between a fetus and forgien parasite that is designed to feed off the life supply of other creatures.

Abortion is wrong because the fetus has a will to live and survive and in the event of an emergency the mothers body will sacrifice itself too save the baby with more determination than it would to save its own even if the curupt mind would like to choose otherwise.

"Life is a condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally. A diverse array of living organisms can be found in the biosphere on Earth. Properties common to these organisms â?? plants, animals, fungi, protists, archaea and bacteria â?? are a carbon and water-based cellular form with complex organization and genetic information. They undergo metabolism, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations.

An entity with the above properties is considered to be a living organism, that is an organism that is alive hence can be called a life form. However, not every definition of life considers all of these properties to be essential. For example, the capacity for descent with modification is often taken as the only essential property of life. This definition notably includes viruses, which do not qualify under narrower definitions as they are acellular and do not metabolise. Broader definitions of life may also include theoretical non-carbon-based life and other alternative biology."

There is you definition for life and a Fetus meets every critiria. They have fat stores to use, aa well as an attached plecenta to demonstarte motabolism, They can grow and develope, Respond to outside stimuli, and have the essential organs to reproduce(you could take an egg from a fetus and sperm from another fetus and create an embryo.

Outside of that definition I believe that an organism has life if it has the strive to fight and hold on to the energy which keeps it moving. A person in a vegitative state is dead by my standards, but a fetus is very much a life.

That was beautifully said, chrissy.

I'm anti-abortion except if there is a risk to mother or child (probably the only view I have that can be called conservative)....It makes me very sad that young teenage girls can get pregnant and then just have their baby killed so they don't have to deal with it. If you don't have the means to raise it, give birth to it then give it up for adoption so it can have a good life.

What is this pro-choice bullshit? This is not an issue about womens' bodies, because when women become pregnant, they are not dealing with their own body...they are dealing also with what will become a human being, and in fact is a human being, just not outside the womb yet. This is the exact reason that in the middle ages, a pregnant woman could not be executed. See, even in the fucking middle ages they respected unborn children enough for that!

[Chronic Chrissy]

Your logic seems a bit off here my man. If it's unborn, which it is, how can it be alive? Contradiction at its best. You can't kill something that's not alive, simply put.

Polymirize continues to rack up credibility as he fends off one after another...Well done. :thumbsup:

Where's polomirize now, Since you're keeping score and all....

[Polymirize]

Where's polomirize now, Since you're keeping score and all....

In answer to your query, I haven't felt the need to add anything since you've completely choked and failed to respond to my last post. I mean, you responded, but you didn't address anything.

I trust anyone with more than an 8th grade reading level to know where things stand...

[Gatekeeper777]

In answer to your query, I haven't felt the need to add anything since you've completely choked and failed to respond to my last post. I mean, you responded, but you didn't address anything.

I trust anyone with more than an 8th grade reading level to know where things stand...

After reading your responses to this thread I have decided to appologize.
I will be a man and come forward and say I was wrong and I am sorry, I will no longer try to convince you that abortion is wrong(without special circumstance).
In Fact I encourage you to have as many abortions as you can afford.
Humanity is already fucked up as it is without adding to it.

:thumbsup:

[Chronic Chrissy]

In answer to your query, I haven't felt the need to add anything since you've completely choked and failed to respond to my last post. I mean, you responded, but you didn't address anything.

I trust anyone with more than an 8th grade reading level to know where things stand...

Obviously there is no convincing you. You choose to give more respect to livestock than you do to a fetus. I wonder though how old are you? and do you have any children? Have you even had the oppertunity to shared the experience of a pregnancy with any female you know, even if it was breif and you were only abe to feel a kick or two?

When I was pregnant do you know how many strangers walked up to me to touch my belly to be in the presence and momentarily connected to my "lifeless" child? Or even the people who watched while I stood somewhere as my baby moves so much inside of me that my shirt rippled with waves? I've used my belly as a table for a warm dinner plate during my pregnancy and have had her kick it off from inside. You say she wasn't alive then and classify her in the same catagory as your veggies and fruit(which by the way are very much alive) Then so be it. Hell We're still breastfeeding at nine months, and I am still providing my daughter with her nurishment directly from the stores of my body, is she still then only partially alive?

Personally you come across as a very young adult who doesn't know the joy of a baby and only see him or her as a burden and parasite to it's mother. Wonder if your mother felt this way about you while she was pregnant, maybe you should ask her.

Oh and I did address your post Cucumber killer

[Chronic Chrissy]

After reading your responses to this thread I have decided to appologize.
I will be a man and come forward and say I was wrong and I am sorry, I will no longer try to convince you that abortion is wrong(without special circumstance).
In Fact I encourage you to have as many abortions as you can afford.
Humanity is already fucked up as it is without adding to it.

:thumbsup:

See you have to pay for abortions there as well as births here we have medicare and pay for it through our taxes, so our health care is free when we need it.

Just curious how much do hospitals charge for you to have a child?

[birdgirl73]

Here in the U.S. the hospital costs begin at about $5,000 or so for an uncomplicated two-day stay for a vaginal delivery. There'd be an additional $3,500 or more for the doctor's care, too. The hospital can range way on up over $12,000 for a cesaerean section with complications or other problems. And the doctor would charge much more in that case. Those prices don't include what would be charged if the baby had to stay in the NICU for any period of time, which isn't at all uncommon. It's very very expensive to have a baby.

It's become a rare exception here in the U.S. for federal tax money to fund abortions. Except in cases of rape, incest or medical necessity, federal Medicaid funding doesn't support abortions, and even then the allowances are very limited. Most states have followed suit by limiting their own state-level spending on abortions, too. This means the women who can least afford to have a child or carry a pregnancy to full term--health, circumstances and education-wise--are inevitably the onces who end up doing just that. And the vicious cycle of poverty, unwanted/uncared-for children, lack of education, and crime just progresses from generation to generation.

Don't get me wrong. I think anyone with a heart and brains believes abortion is awful. It is. That may not be a viable fetus until 22 or more weeks of gestation, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's an incipient life. Pregnancy prevention is the way to go (and not with ridiculous abstinence-only education, either), and I wish far more people would consider giving such babies up for adoption instead of terminating those pregnancies. But here in the U.S. we've so limited abortion services for the very poor--and are limiting the private services more and more every day, too--that it's terrifying. These limitations will not stop abortions. They'll just increase back-alley butcheries and end up raising our taxes to pay for either the complications of butcheries or the care for full-term deliveries.

In my ideal world, abortion would be safe, legal and very very rare.

[napolitana869]

Here in the U.S. the hospital costs begin at about $5,000 or so for an uncomplicated two-day stay for a vaginal delivery. There'd be an additional $3,500 or more for the doctor's care, too. The hospital can range way on up over $12,000 for a cesaerean section with complications or other problems. And the doctor would charge much more in that case. Those prices don't include what would be charged if the baby had to stay in the NICU for any period of time, which isn't at all uncommon. It's very very expensive to have a baby.

I think abortions run between $300-600. For someone who doesnt have much money, they may think its their only option.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Maybe I'm veiwing this differently because abortions are free here and easy to get. I know so many people who have had abortions and then become pregnant again by accident and just get another one. I've talked with many friends about new relationships and protection and when I ask wwyd if you got pregnant(because most don't use protection) they reply that they would go for an abortion. I believe in pro choice but that choice has to be made before another life is impacted. I've known couples where the young lladie becomes pregnant because they are irresponsible then terminate through abortion when the Guy really wants to be responsible and step up to prevent an abortion. The abortion is done because it is the womans choice then the guy mourns the possible child that is taken from him. Often the baby is teminated to maintain the lifestyle they have and the guy leaves as a result, be it directly or indirectly. Not to mention that with unplanned pregnancy there is alot of fear and uncertainty that can cause rash decisions that are later regretted.

When I first became pregnant my first thought was abortion and if I went and got it when I wanted it instead of waiting and thinking about it I would be devistated today and once I calmed down and handled the situation maturely I relized that an abortion is not the answer and while my regnancy was unplanned and unwanted so many pregnancies are and often work out to be a a perfectly happ functioning family because once you get into the process you body takes over and you world changes but more for the best.

Anyways I'm wasting preciouse nap time. As for the price of having a child, all I can say is it's about time ho,e births and midwives were used more because you don't nee a hospital to diliver a baby, but you do need someone who knows when it is time to go to the hospital and if it is needed because child birth can kill you or your child, but it can also be done naturally on you own. Wow I can see the price of having a child scaring people into abortion. In total we've spent $1000 in stem cell banking, and everything else has cost us less than $1000 in the last 9 months of caring for our daughter, the most expensive thing being clothes. We put aside $20 a paycheck(every 2 weeks) and that covers what wee need till the next paycheck. I think societuy has created the a level of consumption that is associated with babies that is entirely unneeded.

Wait rambling again, I really must go....

[Gatekeeper777]

Along time ago my Sons mother had 2 abortions before i met her. One day she came to me and told me she was pregnant. We carefully weighed out our options. She did mention having another abortion. I toild her that if she kills my unbornn child i would perform a post natal abortion on her!