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[JaggedEdge]

Without Christianity there is no Atheism. There is barely anyone on this earth save for maybe some alcoholic inbreeding rednecks living in trailers somewhere in the mid west US that wasn't born into a Family that gave them some idea of religion and god through varying degrees of dedication to their faith, and being a child of such a Family would include some level of initiation into the religion at a young age. In my opinion to be a true believer in the absence of the existence of god you would need to find someone willing to do a full frontal lobotomy on you, otherwise it just sounds like a diluted intellectual philosopher cry for attention to my ears, although I assume that there is probably people who enjoy thinking that their existence and life is empty and without meaning.

Remember, suicide is always an option, the world needs less miserable people, and it is a great shortcut to bypass all the useless conversing if god is real or not since there is no answer to an age old question, that is why it is labeled as such.

Way too much typing for a topic that deserves no merit... Sorry if I come off as a little harsh I'm not attacking anyone, it is just I feel the Great Flood came many centuries too early, where is fire and brimstone when ya need it?

What crawled up your ass? Open your mind, there more than Christians out there.


Muslims, Budist, Taoist. I at least have science on my side, all you have is an ancient book that should be used for nothing other than historical research. You are the reason Christians get a bad name and you deserve nothing less than excommunication.

Are you so ignorant you believe Christianity is all that is out there, there were religions and beliefs before Christianity and there will be others that follow. I half believe I know more about your faith than you do and that is really quit sad.

[RedLocks]

What crawled up your ass? Open your mind, there more than Christians out there.


Muslims, Budist, Taoist. I at least have science on my side, all you have is an ancient book that should be used for nothing other than historical research. You are the reason Christians get a bad name and you deserve nothing less than excommunication.

Are you so ignorant you believe Christianity is all that is out there, there were religions and beliefs before Christianity and there will be others that follow. I half believe I know more about your faith than you do and that is really quit sad.

sigh.. I intended to leave this thread alone but a ignorant remark like "what crawled up you ass" is going to cause me to waste a few more breaths. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, various pagan religions, etc etc.. all have some type of initiation into the faith in some form or another, varying in how many stages, ages of the right ranging from infancy to young adulthood. I never stated or even implied I was solely speaking of Christianity, and I CERTAINLY NEVER claimed myself to be a Cristian.
Have a good day!

[JaggedEdge]

Your are failing to see the point. Just because most children are brought up with some form of religious back ground does not support the existence of god. I was brought up Catholic, that proves nothing... I fail to see what point you are even trying to make. Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe. It doesn't matter to me if you believe or not, but it apparently it matters to you or else you wouldn't wish for all the herotics to commit suicide.

I'm glad you feel a since of superiority though. I'm also sure god would really appreciate you getting so pissed off over this conversation. Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and self control?

As for assuming you are Christian, you implied everyone comes from Chritianity, which is off the wall, and called me a Christian athiest... I still fail to see any logic behind that comment.

[brewdy]

i am holy , god is great ... therefore i will brutally murder infidels ....
Ahmed

[RedLocks]

If you were to look back over my 600 something posts you will see I methodically avoid anything pertaining to religion on the internet, save for answering a question here and there about my own faith, which I believe really has no place on the internet. Likewise I am continualy believing more and more that conversation is useless, and the phrase "Action Speaks louder than words" holds more merit to me than it ever did. Even though conversation is basically the staple of religion, for all the wise words spoken nothing will be accomplished without acting on thoughts and theories. Any attacks made on me here or in the real world I kindly will try to repel with calm well thought out words and full understanding of the topic at hand. If you are insulted by my words or world views I apologize, I am not pushing anything on anyone, not even my own children, and certainly not initiating any attacks.

Your are failing to see the point. Just because most children are brought up with some form of religious back ground does not support the existence of god. I was brought up Catholic, that proves nothing...

There is no point to see. Without religion there is no anti religion. To be fully atheist is an impossible feat with the foreknowledge of the existence of religion , as is to prove to existence or non existence of a God. The whole topic is rather silly and fruitless. The whole thing can go around in circles like the jibberish I just spouted... We might as well be talking about if Big Foot exists or not.

It doesn't matter to me if you believe or not, but it apparently it matters to you or else you wouldn't wish for all the herotics to commit suicide.

I don't wish anyone to commit suicide and certainly could care less about heretics. I just offered up suicide as an alternative to conversing on a topic that there is no answer to. Some say the definition of insanity is to expect a different result from the same action i.e. banging your head against the wall and expecting it not to hurt if you do it again, and this topic is as close to banging our heads against a wall as we can get without actually banging our head against the wall to see if it hurts this time.

There is a lot more important topics and causes in this world that can be solved and remedied, instead the world worries about things like Church and State, foreign affairs, greed and vanity, when say.. maybe something like, improvement of Educational systems could be focused on.

How many billions of Dollars of American money went into fighting wars in foreign countries were spent last year when those funds could have went into building new Schools in urban areas, more funding for teachers, all this so my son doesn't have to sit day after day in a over crowded school that was built almost a century ago that barely has room for the students that attend the school, and certainly doesn't provide enough space or Faculty to provide the level of Education that is available to children in this day and age?

I'm glad you feel a since of superiority though. I'm also sure god would really appreciate you getting so pissed off over this conversation. Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and self control?

Sarcasm....nice. I have already apologized if I came off a little harsh and that I wasn't attacking anyone or anything. To elaborate on my earlier statement, I am disappointed in the trivial matters people wish to dwell on, the topic will not bring about a resolution or anything of consequence to the you or myself.

"Let every man be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger"

What I get from this is show tolerance and restraint in all aspects of our lives, but anger is in the nature of God, Jesus and Man biblically speaking. The wrongs of the world have been progressing getting worse and branching off to infect the worlds social structure for centuries, continued tolerance and inaction will serve no purpose in my humble opinion. I acknowledge my ability to converse and comprehend what is put before me despite my lack of formal education as a child, yet I do not feel superior to anyone.

I feel no anger towards this topic and no will to influence anyone, while I may speak harshly at times, it is the equivalent of me coming across a man trying to squeeze water from a stone, I might say (excuse my language) "are you a fucking moron or just retarded, stop wasting your time".

As for assuming you are Christian, you implied everyone comes from Chritianity, which is off the wall, and called me a Christian athiest... I still fail to see any logic behind that comment.

The word God is a Cristian term, members of other faiths only use the word to bring about understanding when speaking to a Cristian. The primary belief of atheism from my perspective is the non existence of God, not Allah and his prophet, Krishna, Ganesh and the rest of the gods of the Hindu faiths, or Budah not to mention the rejection of other faiths isn't as common as it is for Christians. Many people seem to state they don't believe in god or the bible, two distinctively Cristian things, therefore I simply amuse myself by calling them Cristian atheists, not you directly either.

This multi quoting on a fruitless topic is going to kill me, I got lost so many times during my posting..

[JaggedEdge]

No worries man, the suicide comment originally made you come of as the kind of person I dislike greatly. I think you can judge the blind followers who want everyone to believe exactly as they do I'm thinking of. You do not fit that bill.

I also haven't been to this forum for quit some time because I always wind up throwing shit at somebody even if I promised myself I wouldn't.

Peace.

[Pass That Shit]

"Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe."

Yes, the new testament was written after the death of Jesus, but what about the old?
Jesus said that Moses wrote of him. When were the books of Moses written?

[JaggedEdge]

"Most Christian religions base their beliefs on the bible. The oldest book of the bible was written 50 years after the death of J.C. Most books of the bible were written even longer after. The whole base of the Christian faith is based on Jesus and this book, yet there is no evidence to support what you believe."

Yes, the new testament was written after the death of Jesus, but what about the old?
Jesus said that Moses wrote of him. When were the books of Moses written?

The books of Moses were written before the birth of Jesus. Also all of it may not have been written by Moses.

[RedLocks]

No worries man, the suicide comment originally made you come of as the kind of person I dislike greatly. I think you can judge the blind followers who want everyone to believe exactly as they do I'm thinking of. You do not fit that bill.

I also haven't been to this forum for quit some time because I always wind up throwing shit at somebody even if I promised myself I wouldn't.

Peace.

I got some hate mail via rep system from some goon saying I was "a ignorant and hate filled person" for my original post... haha awe well..
Can't believe I got dragged so far into a topic that wasn't really worth the time for either of us, but thank you for taking the time to talk it out with me none the less.

[Samwhore]

Atheism is a religion, wether you like it or not. The description below the Spirtuality forum states, "Please be respectful of others." What makes you think that you can have your own forum? We religious respect your view of Atheism, as long as you respect ours. If we did that, then we'd need a sub-forum for every religion.