the atomic punk use his method and mine to get a perfect joint it takes time. i do it like this once at the part where u cant get it tight, i press it with my pointer fingers to keep the bud from falling out and roll it up and down with my thumb and middle finger to tighten it at the same time useing the method above me at the end u want it like at the bottom with the gum side edge at the top and then this is the most important part if u want a tight joint to keep the bootom edge with the bud pressed in place this my take a while at first but once u got it down its easy and almost automatic