ok, so i went in today and noticed someting on one of the mk ultras. there are spots all over a few of the larger fan leaves. they are light brown on lower leaves and almost black on the upper ones. pic 1 is the whole plant and pic 2 is one of the leaves. another thing that is confusing is that the ph keeps going up. why is that? anyway, i will continue looking. hopefully they dont die :thumbsup: i did include some other pics too pic 3 is a couple of ss girls with the lst treatment. pic 4 is an overhead of the garden. pic5 is the untopped mango. wish me luck and safety folks:rastasmoke: