well the monster on its side was force flowered at 1month old along with 3 outhers so atm i have 3 shure fire girls with preflowers all over, along with 10-20 some odd random plants started after i decided 1 foot plants would not yield shit. i thought about one monter under the 400 but im after pounds not a 1 pound cola. she finaly decided to turn twords the light but the main stem it so strong its never gona straiten up unless i force it, so yes i tied in place. i would estamate i have covered about 20-30% of my floor space so theres about 50 sprouts going in tonight off to the side under a nice mix of hps/floro's. u guys think i can get a decent ground cover with these plant numbers? dont tell me i know im stupid for so many but why not? i have the dirt, ferts and in my opinion the lights. FYI i will have pics as soon as i find my old poloride or cash for film. its really amazing what u can do with fish emultion and a lil super thrive on the side. o ya timers run 18/6 yes TIMERS, i figure if the floros never run a full 18 i can save some $ and get good coverage. ex. hps run 9am-3pm floros run 9am-8p outher set runs 8p-3pm. reason behind this is 12-3 tends to be hotest part of the day. temps never a prob now.