how many plants will my setup flower

[MRovergrow]

i would like to acheave somthing similar to foxysox grow space, given the fact i dont want to devide my space and have to tend so many diffrent plant cycles. i guess u guys are right in thinking i need more hps lighting. time to figure out how to get a second hood in the venting chain, and where best to place it. may the temps in south tx stay low all summer and the humidity high.

[xcrispi]

25 - 1 gal. pots sog , veg . till 10 in. tall ? Be reasonable .

5' x 5' = 25 sq ' x 50 watts per sq = 1250 watts for your closet for optimum conditions and your nowhere near it even w/ add. tubes n cfls. Plus the ability to vent. it and have tonsa fresh air . It's all about having the firepower / lumens , an effective reasonable plan , and lotsa research .

G.P.W - the best I have seen is 336 grams 12 oz. from a 400 hps = .84 G.P.W. That was done w/ only 3 w/w clones using scrog . Look up JustASeed "LOVELY LADIES" thread . I have Mad respect for him , best / most productive use of space I have ever seen . Thats after 2-3 yrs practice w/ just scrog , not 2-3 years total under his belt . You dont need those crazy plant count numbers to yeild well .

My personal best after 17 yrs of playing off and on is .68 G.P.W
w/ 290,000 lumens -2000w. and only 4 plants . And my sis. Stinky and a cpl. others here helped in their own little ways . Shes your friend wether ya know it or not . A mind boggling wealth of info she is !

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[foxysox]

Ohhey sup, I just updated actually.
You want to keep your humidity LOOOOW!!!! Mine stays in the high 20s.
The thing is I DO have a second grow space which is a small mother/cloning closet. You can easily build one with a portable tool shed like Xcrispi did. His is VERY nice.
I've only got a single 1000 going right now because I don't have enough plants to fill the space, but doing all the work myself, the total is going to be:
2x1000HPS Sunsystem X.... $350 each including all the toys
1x400HPS inside sun... I think it was like $150... it's for the first 2 weeks that the plants are in that room, I can just cram a whole bunch under there because they are still short and the light penetration isn't a problem.. it's suitable for only a 3x3 foot floor space, hung ~20 inches from the plants
Exhaust shit... 2 duct booster fans, $30 each at home depot, 16 feet of flexible duct hose, the good shit, not that plastic crap, $25 also at home dePOT, and a roll of duct tape. You have to wire that shit yourself.
Okay also a bunch of Panda film to make a light-lock entryway where I can keep additional fans... even though I have an active intake, there's a fan in the entryway blowing even more air around the edges of the film. That fan only comes on when the lights are on but the duct fans are on 24 hours a day to make sure temperatures remain not constant, but dont fluctuate more than 15 degrees.
The room that the closet is off has an air conditioner in it that is on a thermostat and runs when temps get above 70, and the closet stays below 85.
MR Overgrow I can't say this enough!! You need LOTS of airflow and LOTS of light.

ima go copy part of this post back into my log too.

[MRovergrow]

here is an idea of my current light placment. u can see the 4 footer and 2 footer toobs and where i have em. any advice where i could/should add additional watts. im no plant but dam its bright in there even with one wall cluttered. seems to me the next best thing would be to splurge on a giant role of milar and get that crap off the back wall to make room for the 150 watter. maby even work on a larger pasive intake to counter act the increase in air flow. by means of a think plastic "light lock" . would this be a wast in the shaddow of my 400watter?

[stinkyattic]

The flouro tubes are uneccessary, trust me, just get a 1kHID in there and use the flouros to start your tomato seedlings under or somethin. Or use them for your cloning area, f'real, that's a good place for flouros, which have no place in a 'real' flowering room... fine if you are growing a lowryder in an old computer case... pointless in a nice walk in closet... I mean, you've got the space, you should use it.

[MRovergrow]

thank u that is basicly what i am going at. am i wasting my time with all the xtras the plants seem to respond well when the supplemental lights are on rather than off. 0 rotating has to be one of the most odvious.

[MRovergrow]

just checked hight for kicks and the largest female i have is pushing 30inches with out pot mantaining atm giving me about..... 1-2 months to decide when i want to flower before i pass the point of no return. i cant bring my self to top the mighty xmas tree. im contomplating the idea of using the 150 for my single large female, and relying on many many toped and tied clones along with what ever els comes from the bagseeds i have. this would put me at 690watts over my space. 550h.i.d. i know its not even 25watts a sq foot but i think i will manage, with reflective walls and hanging cpfs where ever there is a shadow.

[stinkyattic]

I think the biggest concept you are missing overall is light penetration.
Flourescent light does not penetrate foliage well at all.
HID lighting does but tall plants indoors are NOT efficient! You said you'd had good luck with a scrog... that whole style is designed so that penetration of light into the plant's foliage is a nonissue, because the plant is PLANAR. a TREE is 3-dimensional, lol... if you are going to use a 150 on her, you have to tilt her on her side and train the branches more into a plane... get it?
The benefit of a big ass light is that it CAN penetrate deeply.
Better yet, a 1000HPS under a 4-foot parabolic... ooooooooh sexy baby!!! THAT'S the way to do it!!!
You should see the bushy lil monsters BlueBear was showing off that he grew under paras. mm mm good.

IMHO at 30 inches if you are going to hemm and haw over whether that plant is ready to flower, you need to get going on tying her down NOW becaue you have already passed the point of no return for an untrained plant indoors. That bitch is gonna double in size, and your little light can NOT effectively illuminate a 60+ inch plant, period.

[MRovergrow]

well i just took another peek at the closet to brain storm and came to the conclusion that penatration is not a problem at all. even at a distance of 2 feet the 400 watter keeps em nice and stocky. i get what all of u are saying, stop the bull shit and get a 1k hps so u can grow real buds but i have what i have.....FYI the plant i refered to as 30inches has growen an inch sence i last checked, maby that superthrive dose do somthing..lol watered some time last night. i like the idea of growing on a slope might just try that one out if it dosent retart normal root growth. plz dont mind the crude pics i just have so many ideas and 2 hours till lights off..

[stinkyattic]

even at a distance of 2 feet the 400 watter keeps em nice and stocky. ..

right BUT it is not going to FINISH at 2 feet! That's why you have to either tie down or get a more powerful light.
Or get a 600 (GREAT light, very efficient) and run both... with multiple points of light in the smae small space you have a little more wiggle room with penetration... oooooh that does NOT sound good... lol