Tell this guy all about it

[mattks1]

like ive heard it said, maybe by Jesus, "it is not what man puts in his mouth, but what comes out of mans mouth". after all rhetoric and debate is over with, it is ultimately up to you and your brain on how you make it in life. i feel strongly that marijuana will not ruin a life and also feel strongly that alcohol can and will continue to. do not call marijuana harmful unless you can back it up either. just because you slowed you roll on the toke doesnt mean you are now able to verify you supposed facts. anyways, if that guy was makin 80k a year it would take more than some weed to fuck that up.

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

Not at all B. I don't mind a decent debate. That's a big problem on message boards though, people get into a debate that escalates into an all out fight and get their feelings hurt. I'm more for agreeing to disagree and then moving on. I hate fighting. Ask.com says that:

Addiction is a dependence on a behavior or sub-stance that a person is powerless to stop. The term has been partially replaced by the word dependence for substance abuse. Addiction has been extended, however, to include mood-altering behaviors or activities. Some researchers speak of two types of addictions: substance addictions (for example, alcoholism, drug abuse, and smoking); and process addictions (for example, gambling, spending, shopping, eating, and sexual activity). There is a growing recognition that many addicts, such as polydrug abusers, are addicted to more than one sub-stance or process.

I guess my whole stance comes from believing that a person has complete power over their actions and that becoming psychologically dependent on anything is a form of mental weakness that can only be rectified by reclaiming your personal responsibility. Oh well, everyone probably has a different take on this subject. I definitely don't want to get into a complete circular argument as they are useless.

[Maverick15963]

"its time to hit a meeting and get rolling!"

Wow...

[B.Basher]

do not call marijuana harmful unless you can back it up either. just because you slowed you roll on the toke doesnt mean you are now able to verify you supposed facts.

Your the perfect example of the kind of person your trying to put down. If I put any number of marijuana sites on here that list its negative effects, you'd use the classic 'government lies' excuse. No, no, your exactly right. Marijuana is the only drug that has 100% positive effects on your brain. That means you should smoke at least 12 joints a day. Trust me, you'll feel GREAT.

Do a little research and do it soon. I wouldn't want you blaming anything else for those paranoid thoughts. This is the most balanced mainstream marijuana fact site I have found: Know Cannabis . Most others are heavily biased one way or the other.

it is ultimately up to you and your brain on how you make it in life.

I agree with this, but it doesn't disprove anything. A true marijuana addict will swing in and out of sensibility like a pendulum. Ever met any? Of course not, you don't believe in them.

[B.Basher]

I figured you'd want scientific studies as opposed to that site, which on second glance, while fairely balanced, doesn't citate it's sources very well:
Tests of causal linkages between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms.
Relationship between Cannabis Use, Schizotypal Traits, and Cognitive Function in Healthy Subjects
(I particularly like the quote "cannabis use may be a vulnerability indicator for schizophrenia.")
Cannabis and the brain
Cannabis or health

You'll notice not all those links are bad. I'm not trying to scare you or anyone away from smoking up, but until you witness someone go downhill under the blatant strain of smoking way, way too much, then you really don't know the risk without looking it up yourself. No drug is without it's dangers, and it hurts no-one to aknowledge the fact.
:thumbsup: (apologies if my other post sounded a little out of line)

[Reefer Rogue]

The fact is, I can smoke cannabis everyday of my life and be perfectly fine. The same can not be said for alcohol, tobacoo, cocaine, heroine blah blah.

When one excepts ganja, they except Jah. Rastafari! :rasta:

[B.Basher]

I guess my whole stance comes from believing that a person has complete power over their actions and that becoming psychologically dependent on anything is a form of mental weakness that can only be rectified by reclaiming your personal responsibility.

Forgot to mention this is a wicked sentence. I whole heartedly agree, but disagree that it is only the individual that is to blame. :thumbsup:

[LIP]

Unfortunately it has that effect on some people. Weed runs half the lives of most people on this site. If your waking up in the morning and your first thought is to toke, yes, that is called an addiction.

I'm interested as to whether you'd apply the same perspective to other drugs. This guy is an alcoholic. Aaah, stop blaming alcohol, your just lazy and insecure. This guy loves coke. Leave coke alone, it was his decision.

If your in denial that weed can cause harm to you, then you won't get far in life. It's a little thing called responsibility. I seriously doubt that the best advice you could give this guy in the linked forum is "relax and smoke another joint". The first thing i'd tell him is stop smoking it if he knows it's screwing him. It's a very narrow minded mentality to look down on those that admit they have a problem as 'losers'. Start by thanking your lucky stars weed does not have that effect on you. Is weed the safest substance on earth? If you can logically say 'no', then that proves my point.

I don't deem this standpoint as offensive or out of the question. If anything it's something everyone on this site should be thinking about. I still love it, but this past month has shown me the ugly side of marijuana use and has definitely made me take a step back. I would advise you to do the same if you ever feel the negative effects we are all aware of.

In the meantime, keep toking and don't be a dopehead :thumbsup:

That's not true. I wake up in the morning and light up a joint, but i dont feel i HAVE too. I dont HAVE too. I choose to as it helps with my ailments. But that doesnt mean im addicted.

You can smoke as much as you like, but it doesnt mean your addicted. It's only a problem when it controls you, but if you can control it, it's not a problem.

I pay the bills, tax, insurance and everything else i need to live comfortably before i buy weed. Weed comes last.

Anyway, i dont belive weed is addictive at all. I'll accept habbit forming, but not addictive.

It's not hard to quit weed, anyone can do it, no matter how much they think they need it. It's just another excuse, like saying weed makes people lazy - it doesnt. It doesnt strip them of all their energy, they just cant be bothered to use their energy.

They're not addicted, they're just idiots using it as an excuse, and making it out to be bad, when it's done nothing wrong.

[LIP]

The fact is, I can smoke cannabis everyday of my life and be perfectly fine. The same can not be said for alcohol, tobacoo, cocaine, heroine blah blah.

When one excepts ganja, they except Jah. Rastafari! :rasta:

Ever living, ever faithful, RastafarI

[mattks1]

i didnt bother to read your facts, since you even said the sources didnt pan out. i was laying in bed this morning after smoking and i got a call from my gf about a job offer from her boss. weed only makes things better.