I have ordered from both and both have come through for me. The person talking about germination above posted some good info, but sometimes it is out of the growers hands. If you get some bad beans, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. I ordered some kc's from the doc (cali orange) not a single one of them sprouted, but the other pacs all sprouted fine and they were all germed at the same time. Another time I won an auction from the doc, and sent the money but apparently someone in customs opened the letter and took out the funds, but the doc did send me back my letter and explained to me that this is what it looked like when he recieved it. I won't use doc anymore after those two situations. I realize that sometimes things are out of a persons control and give the doc the benefit of the doubt, but I took my business to SB and I am currently a pretty happy camper.