atheism vs. agnostic

[RyanTheCaveman]

Upon death i shall know everything.

[halfassedjediknight]

Upon death i shall know everything.

if only the dead could speak freely..

[Gatekeeper777]

I used to date a girl who claimed to be an Athiest.
But when we were having sex and she would orgasm she would scream OH GOD! OH GOD!
how can you cry out to something that is non existant.?

[smoke it]

oh man.

the bible is the story of god, and mainly the rules of religion. not what god stands for.

and martin luther kind did exist, so thats why we all know what he stood for. dargh.

ya, bad example. but the bible is what god stands for, which are the rules of religion.

[Pink_Floyd]

well, if you think that there may be a slight chance of a god as stated in the Bible or Koran, then aren't you just being lazy? Think about it, if there is a slight chance that you will go to hell, wouldn't u do something to avoid it?
Personally, I don't believe in an omnipotent God, and definatly don't believe in an abrahamic god.

I believe there is a greater chance that spiritually and mentally higher beings, aliens if you will, created man rather than an all knowing god. The so called god that is refferenced in the Bible and Koran are just further derived from Sumerian "mythology". All the stories of the old testament: Noah's Ark, Adam and Eve, and so on, are all derived from earlier sumerian sources.
So if anything, then the sumerian gods are the true gods.

Ironically, sumerians never think of their gods as omnipotent, but rather living beings with a wide range of emotions and thooughts - much like us. These so called "gods" are actually beings that arrived from literaly another planet called Nibiru, as stated in The 12(notice the significance of the number 12) Tablets of Sumerian Creation.

I didin't want this to be a brief history lesson but I just think this shit is interesting as hell.

[Pass That Shit]

God has always been. From everlasting. He was not created. He is the physical matter that has always existed. Do you believe that matter was created or has it always existed? Sounds like you're in the same boat as the christian.

I don't think God is evil in his judgments. I believe he judged the Earth with the flood. You can judge him that he's evil all you want, but I'll stay away from that. I don't know who the evil people are. He does. If he's wants to get rid of them to make peace, then so be it. He's doing a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Aren't you in favor of locking up the criminals? Be patient the court date is coming for the criminals. Don't associate yourself with the criminals.

And as far as logic. To me a logical person would know that there is NO possible way the Earth and everything in it would be so perfect without an architect. We are of the Earth. We were made from the dust and water of the earth. To the earth we shall return.

I hope you enjoyed the humor. :hippy:

"The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works."

[mrdevious]

And as far as logic. To me a logical person would know that there is NO possible way the Earth and everything in it would be so perfect without an architect.

NO possible way? With big capital letters and all? To me it seems illogical to just assume there's NO POSSIBLE WAY, without actually researching the complex natural mechanisms that actually do explain how the earth could be created. Think of it this way, all natural systems that don't exist in balance are bound to destroy themselves, while all natural systems that are in balance are bound to thrive and remain in tact. It is only logical that balanced systems of matter would eventually form into stable forms while the inbalanced whipe themselves out.

There is plenty of explanation for how solar systems, galaxies, planets, and yes life could come about through gradual and complex mechanisms. What is massively illogical is to declare that an intelligent architect is the only possible sollution simply because your limited mind can't understand anything else. After all, if a being as incredibly complex as god could naturally exist in and of itself, why is the same benefit of the doubt not allotted to the less complex systems that are planets and life? Or shall we just continue to ignore these problems since they don't fit our presuppositions?

[couch-potato]

NO possible way? With big capital letters and all? To me it seems illogical to just assume there's NO POSSIBLE WAY, without actually researching the complex natural mechanisms that actually do explain how the earth could be created. Think of it this way, all natural systems that don't exist in balance are bound to destroy themselves, while all natural systems that are in balance are bound to thrive and remain in tact. It is only logical that balanced systems of matter would eventually form into stable forms while the inbalanced whipe themselves out.

There is plenty of explanation for how solar systems, galaxies, planets, and yes life could come about through gradual and complex mechanisms. What is massively illogical is to declare that an intelligent architect is the only possible sollution simply because your limited mind can't understand anything else. After all, if a being as incredibly complex as god could naturally exist in and of itself, why is the same benefit of the doubt not allotted to the less complex systems that are planets and life? Or shall we just continue to ignore these problems since they don't fit our presuppositions?

I was right about to reply, but then I saw this. Thanks for saving me some time, off to bed now. +rep

[rabbitslayer]

I used to date a girl who claimed to be an Athiest.
But when we were having sex and she would orgasm she would scream OH GOD! OH GOD!
how can you cry out to something that is non existant.?

It's a commonly used expression. It conveys meaning. How? The same way you say anything else. Say this out loud right now: "I have thirteen apricots in my pockets." OMG how did you just say that if those apricots are non existant?

I've done that too and I don't believe in any god. I regularly exclaim "jesus christ" or something like that... mostly because it gets under religious people's skin... "holy fucking christ what WAS that?" ...

It's satirical for me, really...

Oh yeah, atheists can say that the same way Christians can (they talk about God all the time but he really doesn't exist )

:jointsmile:

[Polymirize]

There is plenty of explanation for how solar systems, galaxies, planets, and yes life could come about through gradual and complex mechanisms. What is massively illogical is to declare that an intelligent architect is the only possible sollution simply because your limited mind can't understand anything else.

Agreed. I think science and evolutionary theory have done a remarkable job of constructing a coherent theory as to how the galaxy and eventually life itself evolved.

In regards to Jedi's post however. I have to admit that what I can't wrap my logical mind around in any way shape or form, is the moment of creation itself. Materia ex nihlo? Did god create the universe? who created god? Maybe god/the universe creates itself?
the moment of genesis, or any perspective on the universe outside of time is so beyond our current understandings. We have no way to describe it, and yet, here we are, apparently existing.

Yay us I guess...