And yet, the Neocons and right wing zealots will not accept these figures. I wonder if it's for world opinion or their consciences, well that's a dumb question, they don't have consciences do they? Anyone that condones killing on the mass scale that is described by the above sources and then lies about it must clearly not have a conscience. I wonder how they'd describe the killings if they were happening here by a foriegn government. I'm pretty sure they'd be exagerated beyond belief. Modern wars are fought with disinformation as much as weapons. Make our side the good guys by lessening our footprint of destruction and magnifying the enemys. We are now involved in a massive disinformation program in the middle East, pushing the USAs agenda through farsi speaking TV stations. This is not recieved very well as the Arab world knows what decievers we really are. We hold the cookies in the one hand and the nukes in the other. I'll only say this: It is not the American people that are the evil Satan, but the government and it's foriegn policies. The Americans are just too stupid and powerless to change it. When I was a young man and we had just won the great war, WWII, we all believed in this country as the great liberator. The corporations have taken over and changed us into the imperialist nation we are now. We don't want your country, just the resourses, and cheap labor!