strangely enough all plants out in my garden and in the feilds and woods are growing in the soil worms com out of. Im going to start a new thread on this subject. I firmly know that growing in soil alone produces excellent plants, im going to post some pics when i start this thread of a friends plants, that are grown like this and has done for years, I have been growing like this for years i know it might not be the proper way but its the way they grow in mother natures land and the bud tastes supreme no feeds and just soil. Its the hydro that spoiled these bigger plants I thought hydro was meant to be easier than soil, this is not true. I will listen to what people have said and what they have to say, IM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ENEMIES HERE, more air in the soil would be better I agree with that. how am i going to get the plants out of that soil and into some soil with clay pebbles without damaging the roots.:hippy: