thanks now I'm thinking of planting them in big pots into the ground to prevent other root interference and also if i find that somone has discovered my plants, i could move them. My only choice is to start them outdoors and finish outdoors but i may get to regen at the end with some people. I will start them out in small pots then put them in the big ones for the rest of their lives. I will definately begin starting them before 4/20 but i'm sure one batch will get planted on 420 for good luck. any other advice?