gay marriage what do you think?

[GHoSToKeR]

I agree F L E S H, well said bro

Torog, you said "The good thing about Christianity,is that none are forced to be Christians,it's purely voluntary. Whereas with Islam,many are forced to convert or be killed".. The truth is that Christianity has been using the "convert or be killed" method for centuries... Only recently has it stopped, not its "convert or be called evil"

[Encatuse]

The truth is that Christianity has been using the "convert or be killed" method for centuries... Only recently has it stopped, not its "convert or be called evil"

That thar's sum on-esty if I ever dun gawn and seen it.

Translation: A+

[sawleaf]

Sorry Torog, I'm gonna have to agree with these guys. You are always for freedom, but it seems to be selected freedom for those people you approve of, not true freedom. This is supposed to be a free country established for the people, not against them, but we are becoming less free each day. If you are truely for freedom then you wouldn't divide and seperate people the way you do. Do you think the Lord would want you to hate your fellow man? I try not to hate people, but it is hard at times Torog, I know. It is easier to see if you put aside your views for a minute and try to look at it from other people's perspectives. People just want to enjoy their lives and live in happiness. What is so wrong with that? Does it make you mad that others unlike you or maybe more like you than you think, want to be happy and enjoy their lives also? I'm sure you'd be suprised, but there are a lot of homosexuals who are republican and did vote for Bush! Hell, I even know gay NRA members. Just as shocking as finding such a right-wing conservative on a pro-cannabis website! Our founding fathers were extremely intelligent men. Their goal was to create a country with the least restrictive government, which would allow as much personal freedom as possible, and would not be run by the religion. I am a fellow Christian Torog, I'm just wishing you'd be a bit more openminded in your views.

[Torog]

Sorry Torog, I'm gonna have to agree with these guys. You are always for freedom, but it seems to be selected freedom for those people you approve of, not true freedom. This is supposed to be a free country established for the people, not against them, but we are becoming less free each day. If you are truely for freedom then you wouldn't divide and seperate people the way you do. Do you think the Lord would want you to hate your fellow man? I try not to hate people, but it is hard at times Torog, I know. It is easier to see if you put aside your views for a minute and try to look at it from other people's perspectives. People just want to enjoy their lives and live in happiness. What is so wrong with that? Does it make you mad that others unlike you or maybe more like you than you think, want to be happy and enjoy their lives also? I'm sure you'd be suprised, but there are a lot of homosexuals who are republican and did vote for Bush! Hell, I even know gay NRA members. Just as shocking as finding such a right-wing conservative on a pro-cannabis website! Our founding fathers were extremely intelligent men. Their goal was to create a country with the least restrictive government, which would allow as much personal freedom as possible, and would not be run by the religion. I am a fellow Christian Torog, I'm just wishing you'd be a bit more openminded in your views.

Howdy sawleaf,

Well daggumit..you're probably right..I'm being a bit heavy-handed,and like ya say,folks just want to be happy in their lives..who am I to judge what's ok or not ? Like i said earlier to Nullific or XTC,I can't recall which-there are alot of folks in this area where I'm at,mostly the redneck cowboys,that think it's a grand sport..to beat up any gays they come across,while they are out drinking on Saturday night..you think I'm bad..whew ! They also like to beat up long-hairs like me..well..I'm a pretty big guy-so they usually just leave me alone.

My biggest problem,is giving or granting or rewarding,sexual deviancy with rights..I don't believe that is right-especially if it puts children at risk. I don't believe that parental authority,should be usurped in order to promote the acceptance of a sexually deviant lifestyle. I believe that school should be about learning -not exploring one's sexuality-before one is even mature enough,emotionally or physically,to be making those kind of decisions. I don't believe that kindergardners,should be encouraged to experiment with masturbation or oral sex,as has been done by some schools in California and probably Massachusetts.

Yup..I know about Log Cabin Republicans, but I didn't know about gays in the NRA ! Heck..I guess huntin and shootin,are fun for everyone..even gay fellers. I'll try and be more open-minded,but it ain't easy,given that I was raised to believe that there are very few excuses for bad behaviour and bad choices..nor excuses for not gittin something done-and done right the first time.

My old man,raised my brother and I,real strict..and his old man was even stricter,there was no room for amoral relativism,no excuse for not learning from our mistakes,and we got beat with a belt and knocked up side the head..and my dad is 6'5'' tall and pure muscle and meaness. We were forged into men-with hard work and hard discipline. These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others. I blame modern liberalism for that and it seems like pushing acceptance of a sexually deviant life-style,is just another way to avoid the responsibility of gittin married and having a family..oops-there I go again..with my old-fashioned values..sorry for that.

Have a good one...Torog

[sawleaf]

I hope you know Torog, that I didn't post a personal attack. I know your a decent guy and do mean well. A lot of people on this site are decent, it's just that we have such conflicting views. A lot of us refuse to see or accept other people's opinions as well. I am not for homosexuality at all, but I am not against it either. My view is that, if you want to persue happiness in your life and with your lifestyle, then you should be free to do so, as long as you are not interfering with other peoples lives. That's why it makes me so upset when people try to take away my guns or when the government says I'm a criminal for smoking cannabis. I am not hurting anyone, yet there are people out there who would disarm me or arrest me without hesitation. Why???

[GHoSToKeR]

"These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others." You obviously dont know many 'younguns'.. The people you are describing are the minority among 'younguns', not the majority

[Highaz]

I do not care about the title marriage but gays should have equal rights.

In regards to "your" own ingnorant religious beliefs well we will all be judged.

It is up to god not the people who call thenselves chirstians. Such Hypocrites.

Gays have to learn to deal with all the ignorance that society shows.
Many hide until they realize that it is nobodys business.
Gay people do not choose to be gay!

Move on

[F L E S H]

These days,younguns are lazy,disrespectful to their parents and elders,use every excuse under the Sun,to git out of work or living up to their responsibilities,and have no sense of humbleness or gratefulness,or how to honor others. I blame modern liberalism for that and it seems like pushing acceptance of a sexually deviant life-style,is just another way to avoid the responsibility of gittin married and having a family..oops-there I go again..with my old-fashioned values..sorry for that.

You think you're so original typing things like that? I'm a historian, so I read a lot of old stuff. I was once reading a book about John Stow, who wrote a survey of London during his life, in the 16th century, you know, the age of Elizabeth I, shakespeare, and all that crap. He must have written that sentence about a million times. In fact, it's the theme of his book.

I also translate some Ancient Greek, and I don't remember the author off the top of my head, might be either Plato or Herodotus, but again they said the same thing as you, only 2,500 years ago....

If all these people were right, then today's world would be in total chaos, death and destruction would reign supreme and there would be orgies at every street corner.

Fact is, o wise, all-knowing one, homosexuality is not a liberal thing, it has existed since the dawn of humanity. Who knows, maybe some of your own heroes were closet homosexuals.

In any case, isn't it better to let people live the way they want, instead of forcing a gay man to marry a woman and have kids and be miserable for the rest of his life, and make his family miserable too? No! screw happiness and liberty! because the Bible says so....

[Torog]

You think you're so original typing things like that? I'm a historian, so I read a lot of old stuff. I was once reading a book about John Stow, who wrote a survey of London during his life, in the 16th century, you know, the age of Elizabeth I, shakespeare, and all that crap. He must have written that sentence about a million times. In fact, it's the theme of his book.

I also translate some Ancient Greek, and I don't remember the author off the top of my head, might be either Plato or Herodotus, but again they said the same thing as you, only 2,500 years ago....

If all these people were right, then today's world would be in total chaos, death and destruction would reign supreme and there would be orgies at every street corner.

Fact is, o wise, all-knowing one, homosexuality is not a liberal thing, it has existed since the dawn of humanity. Who knows, maybe some of your own heroes were closet homosexuals.

In any case, isn't it better to let people live the way they want, instead of forcing a gay man to marry a woman and have kids and be miserable for the rest of his life, and make his family miserable too? No! screw happiness and liberty! because the Bible says so....

Howdy FLESH,

I have had an epiphany..a revelation,if you wll..after watching the tv show,"Wife Swap",the other night..I saw just how ugly and horrible,that I've been towards gay folks..and I'm putting a screeching halt to that kind of ugly-and re-evaluating my whole position towards gays.

The gay gals that were on this show, and the one who traded places with the Christian woman,for two weeks,finally made me understand just how ugly and cruel,that I have been towards gay folks..she really touched my heart.

I now realize..that everyone deserves happiness and to be able to choose whom they wish to be with,I'm no longer gonna claim that I know what's best for anyone..because it's not up to me to do that,and I should just leave it to God's Hands. If I could,I think I would go and delete every ugly thing I've said in this thread and every other,here and at MariHemp.

God works in mysterious ways..it took a plea from the heart of a lesbian gal,to make me finally understand just how cruel that I've been. I apologize to any gay folks here that have read my cruel words..and have been deeply hurt by them. Somehow,we gotta find a way to work things out-so that everyone can be happy and live their lives as they choose.

Have a good one...Torog

[F L E S H]

Hey Torog, I saw your post and responded to you in that thread, unfortunately I had written this before and couldn't change it anymore. Sometimes you amaze me, man!