gay marriage what do you think?

[Euphoric]

1. Right vs. privilege: Gay activists talk about the "right" to get married. Yet in the next sentence they talk about obtaining a marriage license. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, the state must have a standard for issuing a license. We don't give a license to anyone who wants to drive a car. You must know basic information and demonstrate an ability to drive. We don't grant a medical license to just anyone. Someone must demonstrate a level of competence. Marriage isn't a right, it is a privilege that the state can and should regulate.

2. Devalues marriage: Giving same-sex couples the right to marry devalues true marriage. Imagine if at the next awards ceremony, everyone received an award. Would anyone value the award if everyone received one? Any adult is permitted to marry another adult of the opposite sex. But you can't marry a child, you can't marry a blood relative, you can't marry someone already married, you can't marry someone of the same sex.

3. Basic biology: Homosexual relations deny the self-evident truth that male and female bodies complement each other. Human sexuality and procreation is based upon a man and a woman coming together as one flesh. Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable.

4. Public health: Homosexual sex is dangerous and destructive to the human body. The International Journal of Epidemiology reports that the life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 10 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, researchers estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently 20 years of age will not reach their 65th birthday.

5. Counterfeit: Arbitrarily granting a marriage license to a same-sex couple doesn't constitute marriage. It is a counterfeit of true marriage. It is like trying to tape two same-sex electrical plugs together to form an electrical current.

6. Monogamy/fidelity: Same-sex marriage will not be monogamous. One lesbian writer calls gay marriage "monogamy without fidelity." Another homosexual columnist writes of "a broader understanding of commitment." A recent Dutch study found that homosexual relationships last, on average, about 1-1/2 years and that men in those relationships have an average of eight partners per year outside their main partnership.

7. Children: Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal family unit. It promotes procreation and ensures the benefits of child rearing by the distinct attributes of both father and mother. Two research papers by Timothy Dailey for Family Research Council (Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk and Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse) document concerns about children raised in gay marriages.

9. Majority rule: A recent poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that public opposition to gay marriage is increasing. In July, 53 percent opposed same-sex marriage. By October 59 percent were opposed to same-sex marriage.

10. Popular vote: States legislatures have already spoken to the issue of same-sex marriages. Thirty-seven states have already passed a Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. In 1996 Congress also passed a national DOMA.

11. Religion: The Bible teaches that homosexuality is not natural and is wrong (Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Other religions also concur with this judgment.

12. Emotional: Gays and lesbians are relationally broken people. Just as in heterosexual marriage, two broken people cannot produce a whole, healthy unit. However, heterosexuals can get help for their brokenness and repair the relationship, but the relationships of homosexual couples are intrinsically and irreparably flawed.

http://www.probe.org/docs/samesex-pts.html

[Lulu]

1. Right vs. privilege: Gay activists talk about the "right" to get married. Yet in the next sentence they talk about obtaining a marriage license. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, the state must have a standard for issuing a license. We don't give a license to anyone who wants to drive a car. You must know basic information and demonstrate an ability to drive. We don't grant a medical license to just anyone. Someone must demonstrate a level of competence. Marriage isn't a right, it is a privilege that the state can and should regulate.

If marriage is a privilege it's one that's awarded to all hetrosexuals (of consentual age) - what basic information and ability do they have possess? The ability to perform sexual intercourse??? Not even that, it's not like they make you sit a test.

2. Devalues marriage: Giving same-sex couples the right to marry devalues true marriage. Imagine if at the next awards ceremony, everyone received an award. Would anyone value the award if everyone received one? Any adult is permitted to marry another adult of the opposite sex. But you can't marry a child, you can't marry a blood relative, you can't marry someone already married, you can't marry someone of the same sex.

People have been devaluing marriage forever, divorce rates show that.
You can't marry a child because we have age of consent laws to protect children.
Marrying a close blood relative is incestuous but depending on the closeness there are exceptions made.
Marrying someone who is already married is Bigomy.

3. Basic biology: Homosexual relations deny the self-evident truth that male and female bodies complement each other. Human sexuality and procreation is based upon a man and a woman coming together as one flesh. Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable.

Male and female bodies are compatible for intercourse to conceive children.
Procreation doesn't need promotion.
Who wants "orderly" sexual activity ??? ~lol~
I know plenty of married couples who are socially unaccountable.

4. Public health: Homosexual sex is dangerous and destructive to the human body. The International Journal of Epidemiology reports that the life expectancy at age 20 for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 10 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, researchers estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently 20 years of age will not reach their 65th birthday.

I never heard that before - provide documented proof
I would have thought that homosexuals had more to fear from random acts of homophobic violence.

5. Counterfeit: Arbitrarily granting a marriage license to a same-sex couple doesn't constitute marriage. It is a counterfeit of true marriage. It is like trying to tape two same-sex electrical plugs together to form an electrical current.

Granting a marriage license to anybody doesn't constitute a marriage. Two people coming together in love and respect is what constitutes a marriage.

6. Monogamy/fidelity: Same-sex marriage will not be monogamous. One lesbian writer calls gay marriage "monogamy without fidelity." Another homosexual columnist writes of "a broader understanding of commitment." A recent Dutch study found that homosexual relationships last, on average, about 1-1/2 years and that men in those relationships have an average of eight partners per year outside their main partnership.

Hetrosexual marriages are not guaranteed to be monogamous either. My sister in-law has been with her partner for 20years - you can't generalise about people in that way.

7. Children: Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal family unit. It promotes procreation and ensures the benefits of child rearing by the distinct attributes of both father and mother. Two research papers by Timothy Dailey for Family Research Council (Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk and Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse) document concerns about children raised in gay marriages.

The ideal family unit is one where children are raised in love and safety, whether that be with same sex parents, hetro parents, grandparents, whoever.

9. Majority rule: A recent poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that public opposition to gay marriage is increasing. In July, 53 percent opposed same-sex marriage. By October 59 percent were opposed to same-sex marriage.

Terrible isn't it
Where's the love, the compassion, the tolerance?????
Who raised these people???

10. Popular vote: States legislatures have already spoken to the issue of same-sex marriages. Thirty-seven states have already passed a Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. In 1996 Congress also passed a national DOMA.

Hopefully things will change.

11. Religion: The Bible teaches that homosexuality is not natural and is wrong (Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Other religions also concur with this judgment.

I can't be arsed to answer this tired old 'pull outta the bag as needed' crap.

12. Emotional: Gays and lesbians are relationally broken people. Just as in heterosexual marriage, two broken people cannot produce a whole, healthy unit. However, heterosexuals can get help for their brokenness and repair the relationship, but the relationships of homosexual couples are intrinsically and irreparably flawed.

Intrinsically and irreparably flawed eh?
Widespread discrimination and generalisations are always helpful

[Torog]

im from massachusettes where gay marriage is legal im not gay but i support there right to marry.
what do you think.......for it
against it
care less
states right
for a constitutional ban

Howdy juggalo420,

I'm against gay marriage and I believe that there needs to be a Constitutional ban,in order to protect us from activist,liberal judges. Being a conservative Christian and a strong believer in traditional family values,is another degree of opposition that I have against gay marriage. The most I would accede to-is a civil union.

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is. There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists. They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion. In several countries around the world,like Saudi Arabia,where I worked once,homosexuality is a crime punishable by death..why is it that homosexuals aren't condemning Islam ?

Homosexuals,constitute a fraction of the populace,yet they demand that all of society and religious faith-change to suit their twisted desires. Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.

[Lulu]

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is.

Are you saying homosexuals are just same sex paedophiles? because I find that remark deeply offensive

There are schools,where children of kindergarden age,have been subjected to sessions of sexual education,which consisted of teaching the children how to masturbate and explore the world of oral sex,older children have also been 'taught',the fine art of fisting.

Show me where. Have you have proof that this has happened

They all have several things in common,they 'recruit',entice and seduce-their partners and they all want to ban Christianity and any other religion,that bans their favorite form of perversion.

I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not.

I believe that the natural progression of a gay agenda,to secure marriage rights,will also lead to other sexual perverts demanding 'rights' as well..such as pedophiles,the incestuous and bestialists.

There you go again Just because a person is gay doesn't make him/her a paedophile. A homosexual is a person attracted to someone of the same sex. A paedophile is someone who preys on children for their own sexual fullfilment. Just because you're trying to lump the two together doesn't make it so. I know plenty of sexually abused people (myself included) most of the ones I know are women who were abused men - not women who were abused by women. A paedolphile is a danger to children. A homosexual in a same sex consentual relationship with another adult isn't.

Homosexuals are driven by desire and impulse..which is why few are faithful,and most are promiscuous to a deadly fault..with deadly consequences for everyone..in the form of STD's and Aids.

Aids and STD's are as much a problem for the hetrosexual as for the gay community.

[Torog]

Are you saying homosexuals are just same sex paedophiles? because I find that remark deeply offensive

Howdy LuLu,

I apologize for offending you,I was being too harsh and judgemental,I would like to believe that I'm wrong..I have a big chip on my shoulder towards gays,because my 5 year old daughter,was sexually assaulted by a bi-sexual paedophile. I know that it's wrong for me to judge all gays by the actions of one..but I can't help myself and I still struggle with the forgiveness that must take place..that was almost 20 years ago.



Show me where. Have you have proof that this has happened

Well..I know that there's big criminal investigation in Massachusetts,because of improper sex-ed classes run by homosexuals,and that there's a case or two,in California..if not more.




I know plenty of Christians in the gay community ~ whether their chosen Religion acknowledges them openly or not.

You're right-there openly gay Christians..I wish them the best.




There you go again Just because a person is gay doesn't make him/her a paedophile. A homosexual is a person attracted to someone of the same sex. A paedophile is someone who preys on children for their own sexual fullfilment. Just because you're trying to lump the two together doesn't make it so. I know plenty of sexually abused people (myself included) most of the ones I know are women who were abused men - not women who were abused by women. A paedolphile is a danger to children. A homosexual in a same sex consentual relationship with another adult isn't.

Once again,I apologize..it's wrong of me to declare all homosexuals,as being attracted to children,I'm certain that there are many gays who do not prefer children..teens and young adults however,is another matter.



Aids and STD's are as much a problem for the hetrosexual as for the gay community.

The rate of incidence for STD's and Aids,is higher for gays,because of the proportional ratio,and higher degree of promiscouity and infidelity.

Homosexual Urban Legends - The Series

The above,is a link to a site that has many things related to this discussion.

Have a good one...Torog

[Lulu]

I think they are some things we've just gotta agree to disagree on.

I'm sorry that your daughter was preyed upon by that creature but he's a paedophile first and foremost. I was targeted by a married relative with children of his own but I don't believe that all men are abusers.

We have to get away from generalising and discriminating against whole because of the actions of a poisonous few.

I wish you and yours all the best.

Lulu xx

[Torog]

I think they are some things we've just gotta agree to disagree on.

I'm sorry that your daughter was preyed upon by that creature but he's a paedophile first and foremost. I was targeted by a married relative with children of his own but I don't believe that all men are abusers.

We have to get away from generalising and discriminating against whole because of the actions of a poisonous few.

I wish you and yours all the best.

Lulu xx

Howdy LuLu,

Thanx for your kind words..I agree-that we should just agree to disagree on certain subjects..but that shouldn't keep us from discussing things..because sorting out our feelings and beliefs..is a good thing.

I wish the best for you and yours as well..Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

Gays don't reproduce,they recruit..which is why America's children,are under assault from them and are being exploited sexually in our schools,in order to promote the homosexual agenda,part of which,I believe,is to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child,because the younger the recruit,the more compliant and suggestable,the recruit is.

i cant believe you actually believe that

[Torog]

i cant believe you actually believe that

Howdy Ghost,

It was difficult for me to believe at first-until I read actual reports of California teachers trying to educate kindergarden-age children,how to masturbate,explore same-sex relationships and the intricacies of oral sex..done without a parents permission or knowledge. I don't believe that all gays advocate this approach to usurping parental authority and coercing tolerance,however-the radical gay activists believe that the ends justify the means..it is they ,whom I am opposed to..as both a father and a Christian.

Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

"California teachers trying to educate kindergarden-age children,how to masturbate,explore same-sex relationships and the intricacies of oral sex..done without a parents permission or knowledge"

Maybe that is true, but I dont believe that it has anything to do with homosexuals, or the gay marriage debate. Linking homosexuality with that issue is just an attempt to muddy the water - either by you or whoever you heard that from.

The way I see it, Torog, is that gay marriages dont HURT anyone.. If they want to do it then who are we to judge? It is none of our business, yours or mine! And also, just because some people think it is wrong, doesnt mean it should be banned!! If that was the case, then cars would be banned because some people dont like to use them; cigarettes would be banned because some people dont like to smoke; the colour red would be banned because some people prefer blue.... do you see what I mean? just because you dont agree with it, doesnt mean its your choice to say if it should be allowed or not.. im not trying to have a go at you, just trying to make you see my point of view.

-GHoST-