P4bud, didn't mean to get so personal, it's not you I dislike, it's the point of view that you and others have that is spearheading this insanity. The only solution that makes sense to me is the venerable "cut and run". Let them sort it out. There will not be democracy in the middle east in our lifetime. quit trying to shove ten pounds of shit in a one pound sack. Put up our defences where they will do the most good, at our borders and at our vulnerable ports, nuclear and chemical facilities. Am I fucking crazy, or does this make sense?