for cabby48 ---- they were willyjack seeds which are f2's and i didn't expect miracles abvoiusly due to the growth variation with f2's but damn they def. were not stable and they had really really slow veg. growth . I had some nube probs but i planted the sativa's in the same enviroment and they grew great and i haven't had any probs with them . I messed up some germination with about 3 seeds and then had about three fatalities due to some bad soil water absorbsion vs. heat in a small place and so on and so on. But dude honestly i don't think that the strains was working as i do not see it lised too much for willyjack seeds anymore. good growing everyone!!!