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How exactly does this work can someone explain why C02 helps so much, i guess in scientific terms. And I had a nifty idea for distributing it, my friend has a 20 oz. C02 tank with an on/off valve, so you can spray as much out of it out at a time as you wish. (funny as shit to blast people with when they're not expecting it)
Would this be a sufficient way to get added C02 to plants, or am i retarded?
To answer your most pertinent question, smokinghabbit:
yes, it seems that you are probably retarded, and or just misguided. Lets hope its the latter scenerio. Please don't bring your talk of ejaculating co2 tanks around here, perhaps go paint balling. or graffiti, or piss on trees, i dunno. But don't piss on this forum, go elsewhere.
co2 is to plants ..what oxygen is too us.the plant inhales co2 and exhales o2.humans inhale o2 and exhale co2 so plants are directly tied to your ability to breathe..and vice-versa.And no the paintball tank wont really help.
dive:stoned:
She takes it right up the STOMATA!! and she loves it.
Something hints that you have a touch of nOOb in you! :D Gotta get everything else straight first...Until you have optimized the rest of your grow, don't even bother messing around with CO2. Just a waste. You can do a LOT with atmospheric CO2 if your vent system is working right.
Agree to disagree. Got light, got water, got photsynthesis.....then Co2 will help even if some of the other factors arent right....but i agree a noob will possibly not using the co2 to its full effectiveness, but it wont hurt as long as its not overdone to an extreme, and not delivered to early in the light hours. I just dont wan't to discourage noobies from using co2 because its not so big and scary when its broken down for em. Peace
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Originally Posted by BlazeIdo
CO² will do NOTHING if you are NOT using HID lights. Fluorescent lights do not produce enough light to help the plants absorb the extra amount of gas.
Check the FAQ there is a basic how to use CO² there. As for the scientific explanation and reason well I feel it would be a waste of time to type out the details.
jeez rev get the cock out of your ass. I suggested this because I read in another thread someone using small C02 canisters and opening them and just leaving them at the bottom of their grow, and form what i read if i remember right they said it worked? So i wanted to find out if this would work, I guess not, thanks.
And also thanks to whoever explained how.
Please watch your language when referring to our moderators, Zandors answer was simple and straight to the point; Co2 Won't do anything without the piercing power of HID lighting; that's tack on straight. Use those silly comments on people who deserve it, not the experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
who said HPS wouldn't be present in this scenario? It just looked like he was trying to come off as mr. asshole know it all and belittle me for his own ego boost. (even though he really is kinda of a know it all on this subject)
Basically tell me to fuck off for asking a question.... wow, neat attitude I guess.
and yes I realize everyone will have his back on this "issue". whatever. Someone new was trying to figure out some of the more complex growing techniques for future knowledge, and i get that.
And Thanks zandor, you were who i was refering to basically with the "And also thanks to whoever explained how." in my last post.
The king has spoken.....but he never said he wasn't using HID lights, making nothing I said wrong. Don't appreciate the attack. PeaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
hey bro, I'm a beginner but none the less I thought the question was fine. I to have wondered if you could use paint ball co2 tanks. Do not see why it's much different than any other tank method. Anyway I to wonder about Co2. I guess I would like to try it just not sure if I could, now. Anyway think its a good thread that we can all pick a little up from.
theoretically with a 600w hps and 2 150w cfls this method might work? or am i still misguided. thanks.
I'd like to apologize for being an asshole. I'm a noob. I DO however try and conduct a fair amount of research before coming out and asking sophomoric questions, which is not to say that I don't from time to time...its unavoidable, Noobs just can't help it! But if we look into the issues we're raising before we raise them, we'll further the discourse rather than running in circles around the the same BS and regurgitating FAQ's.
As I'm typing this, I realize that I did the same thing that got me all P O'd at you in Plant Probs last night!!! I asked a question that with a little research I could have answered myself, or at least narrowed down to a more interesting, poignant query. Now I feel like the 'tard..a hypocritical one at that/
Once again, sorry man, and if you've got your grow dialed in by all means do it up!
-rev
I heard a cheap trick to distribute co2 if your not doing a big grow is to buy carbonated water and put it into a mister and spray it on the plants.cheap solution!
that won't work exhashsmoker. I think you heard a rumor.
can anyone answer my question 4 posts up?
it kinda works. baking soda and vinegar used copiously, or dry ice in a cooler are more effective
Number one you're a noob and don't want to do your own research because you could pick up a highschool biology text and learn what co2 does for plants. Basically it takes in the CO2 breaks it apart, the takes the water it absorbs and breaks that apart then puts it all back togather using the energy from the lights to form sugars and the left over is "exhaled" as O2.
With the lights you have it could be benificial to use additional CO2, but you could also waste alot of time and energy. When you start a set up you need to allow enough ventilation and fans to draw fresh air in and move old air out, which would also drag out your added CO2 making it useless. So you need to find the happy balance so your plants have enough CO2 to make sugars as well as enough O2 for them to breath since they still need O2 to function. Then you need to figure out what to do during the dark period because without light there is no photosynthesis so there is no need for CO2, and O2 is needed for the plant to stay alive.
So if you think you know enough to set up an effective CO2 set up by all means. BUT DO YOUR BASIC RESERCH FIRST, especially when it is something a 6th grader can explain to you, or ask the right questions.
We had to do our own leg work time to do your own.
Yes theoretically it will work, you'll have to raise your room temps into the 80's (dangerous! but it's really the only way they get "pushed" into using more) but without having a proper measure of Co2 concentration, the plants would more than likely just get heat stress and not benefit fully or at all. Co2 is a very advanced treatment, requires hundreds of dollars of investment (timers, regulators, really an environment controller), and is easy to stress your plants unless done right. For now, I'd just use a few gallons of the sugar/yeast mix and maybe throw in a shamrock or two (for luck! haha); using a tank without the proper regulation will be a waste of your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
Lol wow this thread is harsh.
The reason I know so much about growing is because I completed grade 12 physics, chemistry, and biology. If you finish grade 12 basic science this is common sense. I hate drop outs association with drugs in societies veiw and I hate that it is fueled by drop outs turning to drugs, not that OP is a drop out. But I was and went back, there is no excuse to not educate yourself because you want to better yourself, not because you need an education.
Hey I did help him out with some valid info, (that I learnt in elementary) so now he knows.
Yea, this thread is harsh, O. I was thinking that myself. I'm glad rev 'somewhat' apologized for his brazenness earlier, cuz that was bothering me. I think the question is a valid one. Although, there is information out there to be found by reading and searching, it seems to me that when one "registers" here, they furthermore spend more time posting, and less time reading and searching.
Personally, I spent several months reading and searching before I even registered...I found almost ANYTHING that I needed to know. There were a couple things that were not yet clear to me, but I learned a LOT. Then when I started posting myself, I did less research and instead had more dialogue about subjects.
Honestly, if everyone on this site stopped posting any new information or repetitive threads, or even if everyone stopped posting all together (which is pretty much what has happened recently :o), people would still be able to come here and learn everything they need to know to grow quality marijuana.
That being said, let me respond to a couple of the posts. :D
Chronic Chrissy pretty much explained HOW co2 helps plants, and why they like it, so thanks, CC. :D
As far as the Paintball co2 tank, I don't see why it WOULDN'T work, if you had all other factors controlled (i.e. timed ventilation, properly sealed room, proper high temperature).
With a 600w HPS, you should be able to run co2 if you set it up properly. There are various DIY methods of adding co2, some of which have already been mentioned. As far as spraying seltzer water on them, I've heard that myself as well, and honestly not sure as to how effective it actually is, but I DO know that you will be risking burning your plants from intense light refraction produced by your HID lamp if you mist them with it during lights on. I wouldn't do it.
The Fog :rastasmoke:
I once watched a video with a bloke spraying soda water on to his grow, soda water gives of co2 for example like in coke or lemonade. :)
I dought it was very effective but still an interesting technique. :)
Hey, Tomthehippie, did that video happen to be the Green Man's "I Grow Chronic" video from PotTV? If you look at that video...and then look at the JOURNAL, you will find many similarities...many.
Carbonated lemonade? I think I tired that before...Fanta makes it or something...disgusting. I'll take regular lemonade any day. ;)
The Fog :rastasmoke:
I think I saw the same video Tomthehippie saw ("I Grow Chronic!"). There is a guy who is painted green and he shows you how to setup a quality grow room in a basement. He has HID lighting along with CO2 tanks, regulators, timers, the whole bit. He said:
"If I didn't have money for this" says green man talking about the CO2 system, "Well I would just use bubbly water and a sprayer, I can spray this on the plants and they will get CO2 all day long, actually, I do both."
He uses a CO2 system and a sprayer combined, just passing on a bit of info I came across about this subject:thumbsup:
No not a rumour I saw it on a grow documentary on youtube called 'how to grow green' The guy in it seems to know his shit! He uses co2 canisters but he said you can also do this its just not as practicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
Yea thats the vid. I really dont think it would be particularly effective the ppm would be low, know where near as effective as co2 canister.
I currently use co2 tablets. but my opinion of co2; you can grow massive buds by optimizing your grow room with out co2. its easier and it helps u learn how to grow properly. loads of us dont use co2 and we get great yields. you can bet any n00b who used it would still get less than some1 who new what they were doing and not using it. :)
lol I'm a Noob using yeast and sugar CO2 and here's one of my northerns at 7 weeks. I'm not sure if the CO2 helped at all but they all look like that and seem to be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomthehippie
Hey, can I get a link to the yeast method. . .
I just fill a ketchup bottle with warm water add a cup of sugar, a packet of yeast, hang the bottle from the ceiling by a rope since CO2 isa heavier than O2, and so I can cap them and shake them once a day, the more the better. Once a week you add 1/2c of sugar.
how big a bottle for a cup of sugar and a packet of yeast? I hear the yeast dies if it gets to cold. . .
A regular ketchup bottle doesn't have to be exact. Yes yeast will die if it gets cold.
Ok, thanks alot Chrissy, Also I am only using 4 90w cfls, and one 100w hps (sometimes). This is all for one plant, do you think that the CO2 will help or even make a differance?
No clue. Couldn't hurt though. I would use that hps as much as possible though if you have it.
I've been using co2 enrichment for some time though I only recently really got it correct.Without the correct environment it'll do little good.You need a minimum 50 watts sq ft of HID light,air conditioning or a way to control temps, a dehumidifier and oscillating fans pointing upward ideally.You want temps at the canopy to be 85 degrees,this is most important and was really hard for me to swallow,it isnt anymore lol.A lazer thermometer is really a good thing if you're serious about co2 enrichment because you wont get it without spending a grand on equiptment anyway.I use a green air cd-6 and used a cyclestat for years(timer for frequency and duration of burn),that was a big mistake.A controller is almost a must to get real enrichment,fluctuations of more than 300 PPM arent desired and thats what happens with a cyclestat.A controller kicks in at a certain PPM instead of it being timed,huge difference!The cap PPM-3 for 500 dollars is the cheapest,period.It works well.Another thing I did wrong was use a dual hose portable thinking with the intake hose through the wall into the room next door,I wouldnt have any problem.Another big mistake,which took literally years to discover.I was somehow shooting my co2 right into the attic,the intake hose drew air but so did the unit,obviously.As soon as I deleted it my co2 stayed in the room,window ac's dont rob you of co2.When you get it correct you absolutely know it,they'll eat more grow faster and finish 10 days ahead on a 60 day strain.Its amazing,my yield also increased 25% the first time I got it right,I do perpetual grows of the same pheno's so I know what to expect.Paintball,yeast and all the other ideas just dont really do squat,its a difficult thing to get correct it takes time and definately good equiptment.
man there must be some kind of elite co2 aristocracy or something. this thread totally game me deja vu from my first trip to a local hdro store. after being immasculated by the co2 illuminati, i went home and cried myself to sleep. just like i will do tonight
Ballast hit nail right smack on the head. Either do it correctly, or dont do it at all.
Pseudo C02 setups (mixing whatever and whatever) are about as useless as tits on a fish.
I built my room originally to use C02 (sealed air tight, duct dampers, etc), but my yield/watt I get now is fine for my purposes. Plus no tanks or burners that scare the shit out of me to fool with.
Check out how the big boys grow that use C02. You will see perfect setups with everything installed CORRECTLY. Not makeshift ghetto setups trying to spray seltzer water or what the fuck ever on plants to give a C02 boost.
If you smoke 3 ounces a day, grow plants in 5 gallon buckets or something. But before you ever consider C02, I am going to make a wild guess and say there are 150 other things you need to dial in first. Like growing your first plant.
Keep mothers and grow from clones. Thats the ticket for 95% of growers. Got one veggin while one is flowering. Down time is minimal when you do it right. Even that takes a few grows to get your timing perfected.
Well, thats my :twocents: on C02.
Keepin it green,
b0nger
well the sugar/yeast method is cheap, useful (think white lightning), and can't hurt. i am using it. can't say i can complain. anyways, i have a related question
I have heard that co2 is best used at 90-95. first of all is this really true? and second of all if you were stuck with consistient temps that high, could co2 help reduce the stress from the heat?. the only reasoni ak is that someone mentioned somehwere on here that they jus turn up the co2 when it gets hot and the plants seem happy... i would just get a damn a/c, but considering that no buildings, commercial, residential or otherwise have a/c because it has never hit 80 outside.... i don't even think you can buy one around here. maybe wally world. fuck capitalists though.
yes, and yes. Also give your plants a silicate supplement like silica blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by growinforthefuture
from what ive read plants can use more co2 when the temps are kept below 87 degrees so you may not see much benefit with temps as high as 90-95.