Clones & Yield

Just a quick one really, we've some clones growing nice now, their mums are in flower room, if given the same conditions, do clones produce the same yield as mums, and if we took a clone from a clone before that goes in flower room, does the same apply about yield or do you lose a a little everytime you clone ? The clones would be goin in after 4 weeks of veg so they'd basically be same size as the mums who went into 12/12.
I can't really be doing with the ' lets wait n see how many boys n girls we get from a pack of seeds' :cool:

would expect a clone to give the same or a little better yield than the plant from seed if they are similiar in size.
eventually you may lose potency and yield over time doing clone from clone but it still takes quite awhile. from what ive read its better to maintain the mother plant from seed if possible, and if you want to have clones available from the plant say 5 years or even longer down the road.

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Originally Posted by bejay

would expect a clone to give the same or a little better yield than the plant from seed if they are similiar in size.
eventually you may lose potency and yield over time doing clone from clone but it still takes quite awhile. from what ive read its better to maintain the mother plant from seed if possible, and if you want to have clones available from the plant say 5 years or even longer down the road.

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Hey thanks for that, i may let one of these clones become a mum, but can you like strip a mum almost bare from taking clones, and would she bounce back, wouldnt it stress her out to fuck ?

you should always try to leave plenty of branches that will allow the plant to continue to grow, but you could take enough cuttings from one plant that would not allow them to bounce back.
im sure it stresses them some but if you have problems with a mother plant turning hermie from taking clones it wasnt a very stable plant to begin with and not a good choice for a mother plant.

The Skunk #1 we have in flower at the mo, well they were our first grow, we topped them, had trouble taking clones, so took loads of cutting till we got it right, they took so much shit from us but are rewarding with growing really bushy and now with a whole lotta bud, out of 9 plants we got 6 fems, which is why i'm thinking one of the clones would be ok

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i find i get "better" plants from clone. smaller internodes and I ushually get a gap between the soil and the first fan leaves when using seeds. This gap has been much smaller or non existant with clones.

Cutting a clone off a plant close to flowering will reduce its yield. Just think, that growth tip would have become a small cola. When i clone i remove the growth tips that wont do well and always leave the strong ones.

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Originally Posted by harris7

Cutting a clone off a plant close to flowering will reduce its yield. Just think, that growth tip would have become a small cola. When i clone i remove the growth tips that wont do well and always leave the strong ones.

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Word.
If I intend to put the mother into flower shortly, I take clones from the LOW branches that would have only developed annoying little popcorn buds anyway.
MAny growers prune these off even if not cloning, for a couple reasons:
-plant concentrates all energy on higher budsites (average size of colas is supposed to increase)
-airflow at the base of the plant is not impeded... very important in some situations... I would imagine most so when humidity is of concern

yes i have also been doing this.

is their a major problem with removing the lower branches in flowering?

how many woul dyou suggest removing at a time?
Do you remove the small fan leafs that dont get light?

I'm not an expert but I'll give this a shot...

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Originally Posted by harris7

is their a major problem with removing the lower branches in flowering??

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I don't think there is... hormonally, they are pretty much under control of the topmost tips [apical dominance] ... their growth is supressed by the presence of the top shoots... cutting dominant tips changes the hormonal balance of the plant... low, useless branches that get no light got no say in the matter, lol... I take them right off at the last transplant.. just like the 4 weakest ones... if they are healthy, go ahead and use them for clones.

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Originally Posted by harris7

how many woul dyou suggest removing at a time? ?

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As I said above, I don't see that taking them all at once or a couple at a time would make much difference because of the lack of auxin production in those sites.. the plant would basically not really notice them being gone, you know?

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Originally Posted by harris7

Do you remove the small fan leafs that dont get light?

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no, I NEVER touch fan leaves until they are at least 50% dead.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Word.
If I intend to put the mother into flower shortly, I take clones from the LOW branches that would have only developed annoying little popcorn buds anyway.
MAny growers prune these off even if not cloning, for a couple reasons:
-plant concentrates all energy on higher budsites (average size of colas is supposed to increase)
-airflow at the base of the plant is not impeded... very important in some situations... I would imagine most so when humidity is of concern

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Stinky, that's what we have been doin, taking the clones from the lower branches and getting rid of all the little shit at the bottom of the plant at the same time so all the energy goes to the top, we learnt to do all this from reading all the info on here, one thing we never did when we topped our skunk#1 :( but we learnt from our mistakes and thankfully the slunk#1 didnt hold it against us that much lol

The clones we have taken are shooting up so fast and turning into nice bushy plants, which why i asked the Q, would it reduce yield to clone from a clone etc etc.. :cool: I aint got a very good eye for catching males/fems early on, cant really tell until i see hairs or bloody big balls !! By that time the males are frikking huge( biggest was a hash plant at 3'4") and a pain to try and get rid off.