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Well I just today began germinating four Master Kush (feminized) and four Crystal Limit (regular) beans for my 8 waterfarms. I read that they are both short, stocky type plants.....anyone know how they respond to topping or should I just let them grow a single large cola?
I like to top as a rule to widen the plants out but I'm not really used to these blueblood seeds. Any tips appreciated.....also any tips on how they respond to hydro nutes. Thanks!!:)
what i would do is i would top 1 of each strain, and see how it reacts to the topping and go from there.
why would you want to top an indica that is already short and squat ?
To increase yield .Quote:
Originally Posted by freewheelinfrank
That indoor mix from H/D we were talking about frank - you top it , it'll give you 8-10 new colas = like 6-7 times the yield and is well worth the extra weeks worth of veg. for it to recover .
Whats your thoughts on this frank ? Much respect F.W.F . chk. your rep. do you share any info , insight , tech. on other forums ? t/y or i/c .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:
Yeah I have not found the topping to be a bad thing on my short squat type indicas but I really blew it trying to bend the branches of them on my last grow. It really reduced the amount of good bud produced on them (with tons of immature budding and a bunch of useless side growth going everywhere)....X-C didn't I hear you talk about that on one of your threads? Would like your input on that. Some other sativa type bagseed did very well with the bending so.... I've always sort of had the idea that these plants are pretty much the same so now have to go back and restudy what will work for what type of plant. God these BLUEBLOODS!
I'd cruise over to the old OG strain reviews if you can find them... urrr... they are kicking around somewhere, lol... gives results for different treatments of the same strain by different growers...
I have have mixed results topping... seems very strain dependent.. the Yeag's MTF didn't like it... The BlueMoonRocks didn't get topped and rewarded me well... the Afghani Dream also grew beautifully as a single cola plant... these are the 3 squattest, fattest plants I've ever grown...internodal distance on all 3 was so short that really I can't imagine how they would have improved unless I gave them obsecene extra veg time... the Yeag's MTF was so fat and stocky that the resulting multiple colas grew into each other...but they were small... i never got to see the finish because I gave her away in a big hurry 3 weeks before harvest... My future approach to any training on these 3 strains is just going to be bending the main stem over diagonally.
Yes that's exactly the kind of info I want......who's done what to what strain and how did it affect them? It is amazing to me how many differences there are amongst this plant!:jointsmile:
you are correct, Crispi -I almost always top my plants, for more bud growth - but, I grow almost exclusively sativa, or heavily sativa-dominant hybrids, which really seem to benefit from topping - height isn't an issue with me, as I have an 8-ft. tall grow cabinet - some indicas I have observed, do not take to topping very well at all - I don't say this as a 'growing rule-of-thumb', only to mention that topping doesn't work for every strain - of the six current 'Sour Jack' plants I have going, I topped only three of them, mostly out of curiosity with this new hybrid - so far, one oddball 'sativa-looking' pheno of these 'Sour Jacks' loved the topping, while the other, more 'indica-influenced', did not really benefit from it at all -Quote:
Originally Posted by xcrispi
I also visit the HG420 forums, as well as the Treating Yourself website, (where Image Reaper is a 'roving reporter') :rolleyes: - neither of those are nearly as active as Cannabis.com, but they do seem to be more populated with adult growers, with much better breeding information, these days - (not nearly as many "where can I buy seeds?", or "do they ship to the USA?" questions over and over again) :D -
a lot of my growing tips come from, as you know, the Image Reaper - he is still unable to post in here, but we stay in touch since I moved, and I 'relay' some of his better stuff - I try to avoid his rants :D - nice guy with a good growing background, but a cantakerous old bastard :D (I'll hear about that, lol) - he also prefers a couple of the other websites, but they are not nearly as active as this Cannabis.com Forum - thanks for all your kind words, keep up the 'good grows' - :jointsmile:
Damn good info Stinky ,
If i can find it , sure beats the hell outa trial and error . I just took it for gone like the site itself .
Weedhound I think your talking about 'limbo weed" was too mean to it ? no lst , just a greedy mind w/ topping -fim'ming axen' leaves blocking bud sites instead of tuckin em away . We just yesterday gumby hashed the last 6-8 oz. of that nonsense . lol . 2 big bags of garb. doing nothing for me but sittin around lookin all criminals not cool .
I'm learnin same as you , why I wanted to keep touch w/ all you guys regardless of this site . I'm tryin to sorta "Call frank out" . Theres lots more great minds lurking here and just watchin - I wish the info base here was as huge as O/G was . Ppl. snagging info like were talking about here is sooooooo valuable . It reps. thousands of hrs. of trial and error / exper etc...I was at O/G 2 1/2 years and never so much as signed in / est. user name . Info was there in mass amounts and I was willing to look for it .
G/B all
The Crispis' :jointsmile:
master kush is one of my favorites, it responds excellent to topping, lst and scrog. i would asume a mk X would react similarly. my ww's would yeild 14oz on average with my 400hps and my mk was more like 12-13 oz but the quality/potency was better. i always top my plants. imo topping/lst is practically a must with indoor growing, especially with lower wattage grows (400 watts or less) as these lights don't have great penetration. this is how my mk resonded to lots of topping and lst. they were grown to this point under flouros only for about 6weeks from rooting.
these online grow-guides may help - I am not a big fan of Overgrow's guides, but it's not bad - like anything, you have to glean the wheat from the chaff for good info info - I am more enamoured of the Mel Frank/Ed Rosenthal guide - yes, it is a bit of 'dry' reading, but it's good stuff - and Greenman's has some good, some bad, info -compare the three, they all describe some outdated methods, and have their share of errors, but a LOT is there to be learned - here are the links:
Drugs-Forum - Cannabis cultivation: Overgrow's GrowFAQ
or
Marijuana - The marijuana grower's guide
or
Marijuana Growing Guide Free Library
like anything, there will be disagreements and discrepancies between the three, but that's where some good old reserach proves it's worth - reading these would almost eliminate most 'Grow" questions (too much like 'work' for most, I suppose ) good reading ! - :jointsmile:
Much thanx F.W.F ,
Lotsa good reading there -n- in favs. already . I've seen ya lil at T/Y along w/ Granny S/C . But the boards are kinda slow / dead . Crispis' got a short attn. span -n- needs a more active enviroment w/ more brain food .
Peace -n- Respect
Crispi :jointsmile:
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...out-light.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by xcrispi
http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality...ebgirl420.html
I dunno crispi!!! Ya may be barkin' up the worng tree here today!!!
Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!!!!
:D
-N- they walk among us !!!!!!!
shivers !!!!!!!!!!
I love ya now Stinky , you make me laugh . :thumbsup:
Crispi :jointsmile:
yup, you're right about that, TY is extremely slow-paced, HG420 is fairly busy, but nothing like here - Cannabis.com is definitely the busiest board I've found - but, as Reaper would say, "the kiddies' playground is always the noisiest place in town" - :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xcrispi
Well Frank all I have to say to that is:.....wah. I do like to top once or twice to spread the growing area out a little and get better light and more bud. On my last grow though I lst some I shouldn't have and that caused big probs later and less yield than I had hoped. The lankier sativa ones did great with the lst itself and yielded alot better.
Those are lovely justa....are those in soil or hydro?
And just...did you top your WWs? And? Thanks! :)
i found instead of topping 2 grow them threw sum plastic mesh and weev the branch s, better than tipping and good 4 surport , many thanx
I'd love to try that but haven't figured out a way to do it with the waterfarms....that seems like the best answer to me; just need to figure out how.
rarely have i grown a plant(indoors) from seed/clone to finish without topping it at some point. i have minimal space so scrog is necessary to get decent yeilds and i find when growing scrog style the more you top/lst in veg, before the screen goes on it's much faster and easier to fill the screen.
i tip outdoor s n weev in side i hav a very limit d space 1.6 x.9x2.2 hi seem s 2 work but ask me in 2 months 4 up date many thanx
The problem with the screen and the waterfarms is that sometimes you have to take the plants out of the pot....something that cannot be done with screening to my extreme regret (unless someone else knows a way and tells me....) I do like to top my plants both for more budsites and to assist with lighting. OK I JUST WANT TO OK???
So...I also completely agree with X-C that we need access to more good information; as FWF said the wheat among the chaff but I am going to add a (not so nice) comment there.....we need to HEAR more from the wheat which makes it a LOT easier to know what the chaff even looks like. Lurking the boards certainly doesn't help ME and mine and that's what's it all about after all....me! Keep that in mind wheaties. :D
Hey Frank: Two of your links I have gone through before but the one (in the middle?)....1st m/j growers library has some great new stuff in it. Thanks.:thumbsup: