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The website below has a calculator that estimates the rising number of illegal aliens in the U.S. They seem to be coming in at the rate of more than one a minute.
There are an estimated
12,821,488 illegal aliens in the U.S
(This was at 8:35 EST, Mar 4 2007.)
Check out the latest figures. It's gone up by about 10 since I started typing this!
New York Border Operations October 2006
I like these guys!
wow they must run quick.
Mexico should offer one to be olimpic sprinter.
I just watched Man of the year...great oratory on this topic by Williams during debate scene
It's just going to keep rising. . . I am bias but I am also realistic, and this country needs all the cheap labor it can get. . . And god damn it . . . Mexican's are not the only people crossing to borders. . . fuckin biggots. . .These new "Minute-men" are cock suckers protecting a stolen border so I say it's free game. . . and if they start carrying guns, I hope they dont think someone wont be down to blast right through them. . .
Sorry my stand is; build a wall, then charge admission daily. :thumbsup:
Didn't they do that in Berlin?
I'm sorry fellas but you all went a few hundred notches down in my book. . . but I don't think that matters to someone who thinks like this. . .
Edit: LOL, and thats such a bullshit counter on that site. . . but whatever keeps you going. . .
This country had to Lie, Cheat, and steal. to get to where it is today. . . This counrty was started by pirates and it will be ended by them. . . Cheap labor is the only resorce keeping this place alive. . . read a history book for god sake. . . The gov. keeps such a low amount of Homosapien development in this country anyway. . . Damned if we do. . .
I say the gov. plans on closing the borders/shutting down cheap labor, to either out sorce more with other countrys (iraq/china/ect.), or to cause another depresion in a lame attempt to distract/reunit the country while they collect more of your money/soul. . . If you don't understand what the country's foundation is made of how can you build on top of it. . .
About 80 new aliens arriving per hour. I guess that doesn't count the children that the pregnant ones pop out once after they get here. :cool:
Personally I see nothing wrong with more immigration into our country, and others - as long as it's legal and the people are willing to abide by our laws and customs. It would also be nice if they learned English and wanted to become citizens.
Did it ever occur to you guys that mexicans arent the only people illegally coming to this country?
Where are you from that your so clueless???Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
There's nothing wrong with his point. If you are going to come to America, learn English. If I immigrated to Germany, I'd be expected to speak German....it's common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
And not all illegals want to become citizens. I had a friend who didn't, he lived in America for a few years, had no desire of becoming American, one day decided he didn't want to live here anymore and went to Spain.
But, why would you not be ok with people doing so. Does it effect anyone here, enlighten me cause I don't get why other peoples lives should be up to us. . .
Edit: and thats not common sense it's Nationalizm. . .
Language barriers affect how others conduct business, you have to be communicate with people in that country. What do you think would happen if everyone spoke their own language, we would spend much wasted time decoding what's been said, rather than react to it.
I'm not saying anyone has to strip themselves of their identity or culture. I'm not saying to have everyone speak only English. But the fact is English is the national language here in America. You can't expect yourself to live in another country without learning to communicate with the people and learning some of their customs.
It's a sense of respect a person should have when you inhabit yourself in a place foreign to you.
What do you get mad when you go to Taco Bell? give me a break, your acting like the US was just naturaly an english speaking country. . . Did Andrew Jackson speak Native American when he sentanced them to death. . . don't give me that language shit, your probly just upset cause they speak there language around you and you dont try to understand, no one is stopping you from learning spanish(in this cause, since"every imagrant is Mexican.). . . lol whatever
I forget how racist people are toward Mexicans and Latino's. . .
"Clueless", he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
I'm from Brooklyn, in New York City - and we have about 150 nationalities and ethnic groups living here. Most of them are legal residents, or American citizens, but some are neither.
I've answered your question, so how about telling us where you're from?
What does this have to do with race in anyway? In fact, point out when I even mentioned anything about latinos? The only thing I even mentioned that even close to mentioning the spanish language is mentioning the country Spain.
To assume I'm racist because you should make attempts to learn the language of the country you live in? Do you realize how fucking dumb that is? All I can counter is I'm not the racist one, I'm not the one that made this a race issue.
True as well. But there has to be a universal system for people to communicate and understand, and unfortunately it's mostly through language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
I use to have a timeline of American oppression, or at least on our soil.
it was some thing like:
1492-Native American
1619-1789?-African
1838-Mexican
1840-Chinese
1840-Irish
1942-Japanese
Still-African-American
1980's-Cuban (don't know much about it)
still-Muslim
2007-and I guess it's the Beaners again right. . .
of course this isn't a perfect timeline. . .
I live in Los Angeles, I'm a 3rd generation citizen if it even matters. There is plenty of people, and plenty of reality here. . .
I have traced my family tree to this land before California existed so I guess I could come off as a dick on this sort of subject. . . sorry for the hostility. . . This countrys history just pisses me off. . .
In cities like New York, not only will you have to learn Spanish, but in order to understand, and be understood, you'll have to learn every other language that is spoken in the world - including all Native American languages and dialects, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, German, French, French Creole, Hebrew, Yiddish, Russian, Hungarian, Tagalog (Filipino), Korean, Albanian, Turkish, Arabic, Romanian, Bosnian, Greek, Slovenian, Estonian, Lithuanian, , Norwegian, Finnish, Serbo-Croatian (or Croato-Serbian), Cantonese and over one hundred more.Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
Good luck!
Eventually it'll all intergrate into a combination of spanglish, valley girl, and inner-city slang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I have traced my ancestry in America 12 generations back to the Mayflower (to the satisfaction of the Society of Mayflower Descendants if it matters) where, in Plymouth, Spanish was NOT spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
This country's history isn't perfect, but it's damn better than many others.
No place else in the world provided a "melting pot" for immigrants like America, and I doubt that any ever will again.
I belive for the most part I was talking shit to Gatekeeper, but the whole Minutemen thing to me is a joke anyway. . .A language barrier is only a problem if you are trying to work with people who speak other languages, Im sorry if one of you didn't learn each others language. Don't get me wrong, I support the Idea of having to learn english, but It seem like your mad that its there main language. . . For the most part I barly can speak spanish, but I would say I see 10 spanish only speaking people in a day at work, and I never have trouble, either I understand with what little I know, or they use what little english they know. If you have the patience its not really a problem. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
But what is the main problem with imigration. . . Language, over population? I dont know, Lets take Japan for example, very small country country, problem with population, may english travel there and struggle with thee language with them, and yet they are at least twice as advanced then our country in language, population control, tecnoligy, medicine, ect. . .And our counrty which has the room, and the resorces is where?. . .Were to bizzy being distracted by Presidents putting on clown shows to keep our attention. . . Americans need to focus on the real issues here. . .
I know what your ancestors were part of, and who said they spoke Spanish? That was a language forced on my ancectry. . . and I agree thats why I don't understand why letting people in is a bad thing. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Let it be clear, my views of immigration. I support an open, regulated border. However, I don't believe anyone can just walk in a country and drain resources. This has to be earned, and should be given an opportunity to earn citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
As for language, I lived in 3 other countries. With living there, I had to learn to speak enough German to be able to communicate, conduct business, and get around. It's precisely that simple, my views on language. If you live there, you have to learn to communicate with the majority. Nothing racist about my views.
And I agree with you, America as a country is not as accepting towards accomodating foreigners as places I been to. But America is a big country, and that's the reason why it's slower to progress in these issues.
Very slow, But I belive that immigants put a whole lot more into this counrty then they take out. . .Quote:
However, I don't believe anyone can just walk in a country and drain resources. This has to be earned, and should be given an opportunity to earn citizenship.
Nope...many don't want to have citizenship. I worked with a few when I was pipefitting sprinkler systems at bigboxmart...and they make 1-2000 a week, work for 6 weeks at a time, then take a week go home to mexico, leave the money, and come back to work again. I have nothiing personal against the guys I worked with. Hell they worked their asses off. But, they are not spending a lot here. they eat cheap in mexican restaurants, and stay in their "comped" rooms at night.
As long as they earn the money does it really matter where it is spent. . .I mean they were still way cheaper than a real contractor, so consider the differance the tax write off. It will go to a nice american corvette for the guy who saved the money. . .
HELL YA! That should supply some work and conveniently it would be right on the border. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by latewood
Have a good one!:s4:
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
Imagrints do.... ILLegals dontQuote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
you are so fucking stupid.....
I pay car insurance i pay health insurance.... Hospitals closing right and left....you dont care
no assimalation, NO nothing.....
Remeber socialist Idiots........American wont do the jobs for,THOSE wages..... they have brought the wages down,,,,,,,
we will do any job for the right amount of money......
Ill be your hucleberry vinceass.......
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
letting peole in is good.....people sneaking in, and stealing from your country is Bad........
One more time FUCK OFF.
immigrants as a whole have built this country. illegal immigrants in specific have done little more than lower the standard of living, take advantage of the services this country has to offer, take over many of the jobs that our poorer citizens could have filled and thumbed their noses at the very system that has enabled them to escape poverty. far too many have arrived here and been infected by a culture of entitlement. convinced that this country owes them some sort of reparation they demand the same consideration as citizens even though their very presence in this country is illegal and a slap in the face to every immigrant who did what it takes to gain their citizenship through the proper channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
is it selfish to want to protect the standard of living that generations have worked so hard to attain? yes, but a bit of enlightened self-interest is necessary. is it racist to attempt to stem the tide of illegal immigration? no, this is a matter of nationality and the survival of a way of life. those that try to make this a racial issue are merely attempting to confuse matters or are reflecting their own bigotry onto the situation. is there a place for immigrant labor here? of course, but an uncontrolled flow across the borders is both economically unfeasible and hazardous to our physical and cultural health.
a bit of your posting smacks of the reconquista attitudes of la raza and its ilk. i think that it's time to put aside the old animosities surrounding who conquered whom, who stole what and why the borders are where they are. that is all ancient history from times where military might was freely used to expand nations and ideologies. this is the modern world and we can't afford such concepts as manifest destiny or adventurous conquest. the real battles are to reform these other countries so that their citizens see no need to flee from them and to raise the standard of living on an international scale.
p.s. pay little attention to bong's vitriol. he's an angry soul, but in this case rightfully so.
you sound like a jackass so why bother, you must think that illegals just come to hang out and get free money. . . Americans wont do the jobs for the money they have to offer so they have to out source just like with everything else dumb ass. the only diff is that it comes to them. . .
I really don't see what is different now than 100 years ago. it's the same shit, being a american I don't want my main sorce of income to be from manual labor. I would rather have a good paying job that takes studing to perform. . .
Why forget about something that is still throw in your face. If you haven't noticed Americans are a cocky folk, and how can you just be ok with this kind of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
come on...bring better than "they dont just stand around for free money"..cause they doQuote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
We are cocky cause we kick ass........Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
We help people than no one wll help....
we didnt like Englands law......(tax our tea) we even told Europe to fuck off...this thing called the revolution war.....
We are Humble and Cocky.........
if it was up to the Libs we would just be Humble.......
With illegal Imagration....the wages go down.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
Outsourcing, insourcing..... you have never had a Job and it shows.......
Food stamps and shit are for citizens, I bet I could find a few trailor parks that need them. . .We don't even like our own laws so FTW. . . and I have held many jobs, and never cryed if someone else got in before me. . . Do you think that chinese people get like what $8 for those shoes you got, you might want to guess again. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Edit: and yes I am assuming that you have one of the billions of pairs of shoes in this country that they went to another country to make, BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAPER. You might stop illegals but you can stop greedy corporations. . .