Dems can do it

41 Democratic Senators can stop the war
by Joe Buck
Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 07:05:40 PM PST
It's been discouraging to watch the Senate try to get its act together to pass the most simple, obvious and toothless nonbinding resolutions. The Republicans are unified, and they have enough votes to tie the Senate in knots.

But what is often missed is that the war cannot continue without funding, and lots of it, and George Bush will soon need a supplemental appropriation to pay for it. That supplemental appropriation can't make progress in the Senate until 60 senators say that it can.

What this means is that 41 Democrats, if they hang together, can hold the supplemental appropriation hostage until the Senate as a whole agrees to whatever conditions they demand. More ...

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Of course, the difficulty today is that most Senate Democrats lack the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the heavy criticism they would get from the Right Wing Noise Machine and its tools in the media. I think that the only answer to this is for us to turn up the heat considerably.

The target of anti-war protests should be Democrats. Democrats can stop the war, many would like to stop the war if they could find a risk-free way to do that. We all know that the Republicans will not listen. For that reason, we need to figure out a way to turn up the heat so high that it is more terrifying for a weak-kneed Democrat to give George Bush war money than for him or her not to give George Bush war money.

Ben Franklin told the other founders, during the dark days of the Revolutionary war, that if they could not all hang together, they would all hang seperately. 41 or more Democrats could get together and agree that they would adopt a common strategy, and vote on the details among themselves, and then all 41+ would vote that way on the Senate floor, even if some had personal reservations.

The Murtha approach is a bare minimum starting point: if we demand that no troops are sent unless they have adequate armor and training, and have had adequate rest, and that troops currently in the field do not have their tours extended, this will force the gradual reduction of the number of troops deployed. The Senate could also eliminate discretionary funds to the extent possible: get rid of those buckets of dollars that Bush can spend on his own, and make all appropriations very specific as to what they can be spent for.

If this is tried, Bush might try to play "chicken". If things drag on and there's no appropriation, the Senate can do the same thing it does when the budget is late, and issue emergency funding to barely keep things going for a week at a time, forcing the President to use up discretionary funds.

What if the Senate Democrats won't play? Then a variant of the Pottery Barn rule applies: you fund it, you own it. It's no longer Bush's war, and we'll have to resort to primary challenges against the capitulators.

Yes Med, Dems are dumb enough to stop the war that they (radical Islam ) started.....

we stop fighting, they keep fighting.... we lose the war just like the libs want, cause if we win the war Bush is right, and you Lib idiots cant have bush right...



THE PIECE OF SHIT LIBS, WOULD RATHER LOSE THE WAR, THAT HAVE BUSH BE RIGHT.....(part of the disorder)

great.......

Yes Med, Dems are dumb enough to stop the war that they (radical Islam ) started.....
Your memory is as short as your dick. It was the Wahabi islamists that fired the shot on 911, Saudis, our (Bushs') friends. The instigator of this was in Afganistan, remember, not Iraq. The war in Iraq was started to fund Cheneys friends war machine. I realize this concept is over your head, so go back to reading Nazi comics and remove your self from the debate. If you can come up with a rational reason for the war in Iraq, outside of "They started it" which they certainly did not, sound off. Please don't come with that weak bullshit about removing a dictator. I could name a dozen worse dictators around the globe, anyway just go to your room and jerk off!

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Originally Posted by medicinal

Yes Med, Dems are dumb enough to stop the war that they (radical Islam ) started.....see below....
Your memory is as short as your dick.

you are funny......

It was the Wahabi islamists that fired the shot on 911, Saudis, our (Bushs') friends.

Like I have said so many times..i need to sig it. WE need to go into SA and get the Madrasas to quit teaching jew and christians are apes and pigs
The instigator of this was in Afganistan, remember, not Iraq.
Afganistan, Iran, SA, Iraq, all were bad......we went right into the middle...cause we KICK ASS..
The war in Iraq was started to fund Cheneys friends war machine. I realize this concept is over your head, so go back to reading Nazi comics and remove your self from the debate.

I understand people in war make money, but if it was john kerry making money you wouldnt say shit, your hate for bush blinds you....Im sure it goes back to your Boy Gore losing the election......sorry he lost get over it.....

If you can come up with a rational reason for the war in Iraq, outside of "They started it" which they certainly did not, sound off.
3 reasons
1.Saddam was unstable show by taking over kuwait...
2.we thought he had wepons of mass desrtuction cause we sold them to him and he used them all ready....
3. we needed positioning on Iran......

See med Iraq is a Proxy war with IRAN... you are smart enough to see that right?

Please don't come with that weak bullshit about removing a dictator. I could name a dozen worse dictators around the globe,

im sure if you can count to 12

anyway just go to your room and jerk off!

Med that is what you do....go to your room and jerk off. When I want to have sex, I just ask my super hot little wife, to get naked. and its on....sorry to ruin you little dream.....

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OK first of all....see the button in the lower right hand corner that says "QUOTE"

when you want to quote someone....go to the post you want to quote and push the "QUOTE" button.....you should be on smarter than a 5th grader..NOT.

"The Murtha approach".......He's to far left even for his own party.

Congressional Democrats rule out Iraq war fund cutoff

Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, flatly rejected Sunday any attempt to cut off funding for the US war in Iraq, calling such an action â??immoralâ?� and declaring his partyâ??s commitment to the â??successâ?� of the American occupation of Iraq.
Congressional Democrats rule out Iraq war fund cutoff : Indybay

They surely did appreciate all your votes though.....:D

Have a good one!:s4:

Congressional Democrats rule out Iraq war fund cutoff
Stupid is as stupid does.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

....They surely did appreciate all your votes though.....:D

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promises, promises, promises.....:S2:
can we string 'em all up now or is there still someone out there who believes in the existence of the fabled honest politician?

ONce we get off quotes like the libs don't want to win the war...because Bush would be right. Or you are still mad about Gore losing the vote...Hell get off that shit. It is way in the past , and has nothing to do with a solution or this idiotic post about partisanship. That's the other problem.

When congress membership get's it's head out of it's ass, and finally attempts to communicate with each other as Americans and not Democratic or Republican; We might have a chance. it takes a strong voting force, not mindless rhetoric to get anything done in this country.

Bong it is time for the checks and balances you always spout about, to start...Up to now, all the government has done was to jerk us off...With "both" hands...for those of you incapable of reading between the lines...That would be the "right" and the "left" hand! Peace

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Originally Posted by latewood

When congress membership get's it's head out of it's ass, and finally attempts to communicate with each other as Americans and not Democratic or Republican; We might have a chance. it takes a strong voting force, not mindless rhetoric to get anything done in this country.

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They already have........only the Murthas and Kerrys are for a cut and run.......the rest, including their partys platforms, state that we must stay the course. :thumbsup:

It's just that "some" have to justify their Constituants votes while on camera.

Have a good one!:s4:

lol love the new avatar, and descrip.

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Originally Posted by latewood

lol love the new avatar, and descrip.

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There was a Godfather-thon on last night.....LOVE that movie. The little quote in the sig. seemed rather fitting for in here.;)

Have a good one!:s4:

Med that is what you do....go to your room and jerk off. When I want to have sex, I just ask my super hot little wife, to get naked. and its on....sorry to ruin you little dream.....
Bongo Mcboing boing, that is way more information than I'm entitled to! Have a little pride and don't air your privates in public, although we'd probably need a magnifying glass. Look, your just a dumb ass hick whose been brainwashed by the right wing hypocrites., Relax, fire up another brain cell and try and comprehend this complicated world. All is not as it appears in the news. The public news agencies have been commandeered by the corporations, and the only thing you are getting is the right wing spin. what amazes me is there appears to be some intelligence on this site that has bought into this also. I believe we all need to step back from the medias' spin machine and do a comprehensive moral inventory. What is right and what is wrong with the world, and what can we as responsible adults do to make it right. What can we do to make a difference without being imprisoned by Bushs' insurgency laws? That should be the real questions we are asking on this site. Instead of arguing and bitching and playing each other for fools, come up with some positive moves we can make. I challenge everyone on this site to use their intelligence and devise a plan to take back government from the idiots (Both parties) that are running it now!