Americans underestimate Iraqi death toll

"When the poll was conducted earlier this month, a little more than 3,100 U.S. troops had been killed fighting in Iraq. The midpoint estimate among those polled was right on target, at about 3,000

Iraqi civilian deaths are estimated at more than 54,000 and could be much higher; some unofficial estimates range into the hundreds of thousands. The U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq reports more than 34,000 deaths in 2006 alone.

"You have to look at who's doing the killing," said Neal Crawford, a restaurant manager in Suttons Bay, Mich., who guessed that about 10,000 Iraqis had been killed. "If these people are dying because a roadside bomb goes off or if there's an insurgent attack in a marketplace, it's an unfortunate circumstance of war — people die."

Far from a vague statistic, the death toll is painfully real for many Americans. Seventeen percent in the poll know someone who has been killed or wounded in Iraq. And among adults under 35, those closest to the ages of those deployed, 27 percent know someone who has been killed or wounded"

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ah well at least saddam's dead

Come on bro, If you had a bro or cousin getting a cap in their ass and dying over in Iraq you wouldn't be like that.. Not that I do..but I just think this war is total bullshit!

You gotta stop the killing and start rolling up the green and being in peace with the world and the brothers you share it with.

lol its always like that with war.. and we will always have war because of curption and country's.. countrys are bs.. you name certain area's of the world certain names, and for what? so certain people can be in comand of these places of the world with names on them and so they can send us out to kill each other to fight over other peices of land.. we're all in the same world.. but some people care to much about theyre country rather then the whole world.. which starts war in the first place.. all that "fight for your country" bs is just a way for them to get us to kill each other so they can command certain parts of the world and tell us what to do. I know alot of people are gonna be pissed off when i say this but having pride in a country is utter bullshit

But yeah what i just said had nothing to do with what your on about really, just all this political bullshit just pisses me off is all.. but whomever died in any war will be sure to get a great reward for theyre suffering in whatever afterlife is waiting for them :)

Na, People see a lot of Wisdom in your post im sure. I know I do.

As the sights probably only republican I have to agree that it is a shame that there are casulties of war but that is what happens in war. (I have quite a few friends and relatives that are there also). It is awful that people die but sometimes thats what happens.

If we've lost a bit over 3,000 it makes me wonder how many of the insurgent/terrorists are pushing daisies? Don't try to find a head count for it though because we don't keep track of those numbers.

Have a good one!:s4:

P.S. LazySmoking420, in the future please try to keep this stuff in politics.....thanks

its know wonder innocents get killed in war, the us millitary are so incompetant that they seem to spend a lot of time shooting at their allies, not that we english are any better. killing saddam was one big mistake in my oppinion. it solved no problems and gave insurgents a martyr, one who died defying america with dignity in the face of taunting an jeering. did more harm than good and executing your prisoners is barbaric aswell. one of the things held against the saddam led govt' was the executions of its prisoners and was widely condemned, yet america kills its own prisoners at home and the killing of saddam was seen as a good thing by many. bloody minded hypocrits.

you see, it's not just that they're underestimated...it's that they just don't care...i'm speaking of the neo-cons and the others who support a war abroad for our pan american union / homeland security dictatorship here at home...

it's like bombing an entire town because one person committed a murder...well, we got the murderer! mission accomplished...nevermind the thousands of others you've pissed off for killing your relatives who didn't do a damn thing...

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it's like bombing an entire town because one person committed a murder...well, we got the murderer! mission accomplished...nevermind the thousands of others you've pissed off for killing your relatives who didn't do a damn thing...

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Saddam was executed for something very like that, just a shame gorgeous george and the dick weren't standing next to him on the gallows.

we talk about the number killed ... how about severly wounded, like you lost
your legs, or an arm and an eye. which would your choice if you had to have
one .... dead from a bullet to the head ... or no legs. I'll take the bullet ...
life is hard enough. COUNT severe casualties
Rob

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we talk about the number killed ... how about severly wounded, like you lost
your legs, or an arm and an eye. which would your choice if you had to have
one .... dead from a bullet to the head ... or no legs. I'll take the bullet ...
life is hard enough. COUNT severe casualties
Rob

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yes, we SHOULD count severe wounds

720,461 IRAQI CIVILIANS KILLED
and 1,296,830 SERIOUSLY INJURED Feb. 2007

and that's only civilians in this 3 year war.

Unknown News | Casualties in Afghanistan & Iraq

wake up and smell the blood.
it took 1mil to die in Vietnam before we retreated,
how many more than 1million will die this time?
when will Americans find out the truth about what the US is doing in Iraq. I can't wait til the day it is known that the US has funded the Shia and Sunni militias.

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Unknown News | Casualties in Afghanistan & Iraq

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Great link. The ironic thing is how low casulties are in afganistan, even bin laden is still alive. GW could have been one of the better presidents, just by not doing anything stupid. It proved beyond him.

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Don't try to find a head count for it though because we don't keep track of those numbers.

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Because it would be another way for us to measure this war's failure. I could care less what goes on in the middle east. Bush is such a bullshitter, and nothing he says is credible.

Please don't forget about the thousands of civilian contractors who have lost their lives as well. Most of them were just trying to earn a decent wage and provide for their families...Peace :jointsmile:

^^The same RichieRich from undrug? Fryingsquirrel here.

Please don't forget about the thousands of civilian contractors who have lost their lives as well. Most of them were just trying to earn a decent wage and provide for their families...Peace
Hey, those guys had a choice. You don't go to a war zone where you're hated unless you're kinda nutzo, a lot of those guys were mercenaries that opted out of the military for the greater pay for doing the same thing. Greed got those comrads. They are making in excess of 100K a year, so you can't feel too sorry for them, they had a choice!

Rebgirl....nailed it. Thanks Reb.....


What would happen if they put on a uniform?

How do we even know what is a civilian, and what is an Insurgent?

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What would happen if they put on a uniform?

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I know when I put mine on I still felt my life as valuable as when I was a civilian. Perhaps if you'd served you'd understand.