First off, are you circumcised?
And second, what do you think about circumcision?
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First off, are you circumcised?
And second, what do you think about circumcision?
im not; and i think it's mutilating poor defenseless babies.
I'm not, long live the ant-eater!
I am. what can I say? I love my dick.
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Originally Posted by OniEhtRedrum781
I'm a girl and, fortunately, not one who lives in countries where females have such mutilations performed upon them. But my thinking where men are concerned is that it's a completely unnecessary modification--and possibly one that does harm in the long run. My husband is circumcized, which was pretty much routine when he was an infant in the late 50s. After reading about the procedure and talking to our pediatrician friends, we elected not to circumcize our son when he was a baby. I've never regretted that decision. Fewer and fewer parents are choosing circumcision these days. When I finish medical school and if I become a pediatrician, as I'm leaning toward, I plan not to recommend the procedure to potential parents.
all natural myself
Female Genital Mutilation is seen as a human rights violation and is currently seen negatively in most, if not all, of modern nations.
Male Genital Mutilation should be viewed in the same fashion.
Yes, I am.
Also, keeps the dick cheese away.
I am and alot of female prefer cut cock over uncut. Its even a seen as a novalty in europe to be cut and NOT a jew.
When i was in the army stationed in Germany. I got lots of pussy just cuz i was cut. most men over there must not be cuz i was treated like Bigfoot. hightly sought after but never seen twice.
i am not, but i think i will have my child cut...
The reason I ask is because I wasen't circumcised but I wish I was :(
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Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome
agreed.
what is the origins of circumcisions? as i understand, it was a jewish practice to prevent boys from masturbating ("too much") which later became part of tradition rather than practical application.
the female clitoris has over 10,000 nerve endings the male penis uncut has 8000 when circumsised about 6000 are cut away.
Your choice better sex or no fromunder cheese.
nope i'm not, and i'm kind of glad.
I'll leave body modification up to the individual...i'm not going to decide for someone else.
This came up a lot in my anthropology track. As I understand it, the practice first came into being (with a number of different tribes in fact) as a method to prove one's mettle in battle: foreskins were taken as trophies. I know right? Yuck, but then I guess it's hard to fit 2 dozen heads in a belt pouch right? Heh.Quote:
what is the origins of circumcisions? as i understand, it was a Jewish practice to prevent boys from masturbating ("too much") which later became part of tradition rather than practical application.
I've read re-prints of translations where *ahem* 'captured' foreskins of one's enemies were even used as a medium in dowries, bounties, etc.
At some point the Torah's authors wanted to convey a method for clean living among 'God's Chosen,' hence the dietary considerations which just happen to fit nicely with the environment. The dreaded and so eloquent 'dick cheese' comment made earlier in the thread would carry far more gravity in a time and place without antibiotics and health advice worth a damn. Back then when a bodily condition 'got out of hand,' you just died. Kinda like uncooled pork in the hot Palestine sun. Trichinosis = you die.
Anyway, while I admire the notion of letting nature run the show, I think the procedure is a good call and I for one am happy to have had it done. Went to a British school when I was a kid living overseas, and was on the swim team. Nuff said. ;)
In college I had a lot of female buds, I can't tell you how many gross foreskin stories I've heard. Being a top-hat means the fisherman is at more risk of developing a bacteria overgrowth (i.e. yeast infection) and he would also be more apt to hold onto something he got from that exchange betty from Denmark. *cough*
I think comparing female genital mutilation to male circumcision is kinda... well, stupid. The only purpose of removing a clitoris is to deny a female future sexual pleasure. I could creatively elaborate on what I think it does for the adults who allow it to happen, but I don't have that kinda time. :(
When a male gets circumcised, he enjoys relatively low-maintenance tackle, not freaking out chicks, and that crazy ability to still feel sex.
Seems like a pretty easy distinction to me.
For the ladies that have sounded off on this topic, I'm just curious - how do you view the piercing of newborn daughters ears?
Also, I hear labia surgery is all the rage. Are women defiling themselves when they uh, adjust the bits n pieces? I realize that it's not a procedure done to infants, like I said I'm just curious. :)
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I'll leave body modification up to the individual...i'm not going to decide for someone else.
Well, you get to decide if it's your son... :rasta:
wooh, i dunno about that, cleaning your penis isnt too hard, i deffenitely have to stand by my self and say that circumcisions are no different than mutilation.
Cutting your wiener should be a mister meaner,,,sorry it popped in my head and I had to...
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Originally Posted by Skink
I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevil
Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.
I take it you are also against all of the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Tatoos
body piercings of any kind
all cosmetic surgery
Am I correct?
Circumcision is obviusly a good thing. I really wish I had been circumcised.
how is circumcision good and why do you wish you were?
do you not take care of it properly? that's your fault, not the foreskin's.
for religius reasons if you really must know...
And no I'm not Jewish or Muslim.
No, I'm not against any of those things. What would make you think that? I simply think people ought to choose to do piercings and tattoos when they're past infancy, babyhood and childhood. And I don't believe there's much real justification, at least in developed countries with modern hygiene, for male circumcisions any more except for religious reasons. In the case of tattoos, I think kids ought to do those once their bodies are through growing but I also know a lot of folks who've later regretted tattoos. For people who want to have cosmetic surgery for a more balanced figure or, say, a face lift, that's fine, too. I probably won't do that, but others are welcome to and should have the freedom to do that. I do think some people cross the line into plastic-surgery obsession, however, and I've seen some ladies here in my area who're so puffed up and pulled that they don't look real anymore. That's a bit of a turnoff.
I have had pierced ears since I was 16 and have periodically given consideration to getting a small, discreet tattoo, but I'm not sure I'll ever go through with that. If I were younger and still showed my belly very frequently, I'd have a belly-button ring.
I honestly think that some of you guys don't read very thoroughly. You gloss over opinions that I generally articulate in a very detailed and clear fashion and then make the assumption, because you didn't actually take time to read what I'd written, that I was disapproving of something. At any rate, I don't disapprove of any of those things.
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Originally Posted by intrepidus6
*and then god said let there be foreskin mutilation and so there was*?
something like that?
religious reasons have to have practical application or i will reject them as my own. not saying you cant, just that i cant without reason...
im not coming down on you or making fun, just asking one thing...
why does your religion condone the mutilation of infant boy's foreskins?
First of all my religion does not condone the mutilation of anything. At the biggening of time the gods circumcised the first baby male humans (who were also the children of the gods) as a ceremony to celebrate the beggening of Earth. It is a sign of respect to ancient costoms, and to the gods to circumcise male infants.
There. That is really more than I should be saying to just any random person.
hate that dick cheeseQuote:
Originally Posted by Pipe Dreams
Not sure what you dunno about, as no one here has suggested that cleaning a penis is tiresome or difficult. The presence of a foreskin does however complicate it's upkeep, whether or not you choose to admit it. Moreso if the male in question is say, at war, isolated, or unhealthy from some other condition, etc. I guess I should also mention that soap and water doesn't always reach where it should, and doesn't always disinfect to the degree it should. What holds true for a vagina also correlates to an intact foreskin, that being disturbing the body's natural pH can lead to problems, i.e., over-care can be just as bad as no care. Women don't douche daily for a reason.Quote:
wooh, i dunno about that, cleaning your penis isnt too hard, i deffenitely have to stand by my self and say that circumcisions are no different than mutilation.
Keep in mind that many men around the world don't enjoy the standard of living you and I are accustomed to. This includes access to clean running water, antibiotics, professional medical advice, etc. Look at the UN, now it's recommending circumcision to sub-Saharan males due to living conditions and HIV.
I've already articulated why circumcisions are quite different than female genital mutilations: there are physiological benefits to it, whereas with a girl getting her clit snipped there are absolutely none. Profound religious dogma is a prerequisite for removing a clitoris, not so with the foreskin.
A decision to view them as the same is an idealogical choice, not one supported by factual medical or cultural evidence. Sorry.
I'm damn glad I had it done when I was 3 days old, it makes sense but honestly I doubt I'd have the intestinal fortitude needed to just waltz into a clinic and request a blade be taken to my junk.
I think everyone should be a skeptic; doing something (especially body modifications) permanent in nature should be the result of common sense and some rational thinking, not dogma or hearsay.
There's a lot of cultures that do far worse as well, I used this example as it is exceedingly common here in the States. Most mothers I've spoken to about it say they'd rather get it over while the newborn's immune system is overdrive and also because the neonate child won't remember a thing when it's grown. As it happens, these are some of the same reasons little boys get circumcisions. Trust me when I say being circumcised is more functional than having pierced ears. I've had both! ;)Quote:
I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.
Yeah, freaky stuff, no doubt. But I'd like to think that if a woman can be concerned over the appearance of her genitals and do something about it, then a mother (not to mention the father) can be equally concerned about the appearance and health of their son's genitals.Quote:
Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.
Regardless, I feel the plastic surgery craze (which is growing fast and knows no gender barriers) should be the issue being debated if the word 'mutilation' is going to be thrown around.
I doubt anyone has ever had their life ruined by a circumcision, or developed an affinity for repeat procedures (yikes) which lead to poor health, disfigurement, or destitution.
I'm not and I don't have a big probelm, its not hard to keep it clean if you just take a shower.
I have to agree with birdgirl on the grounds that it is in my mind nothing other than mutilation of children.
For those who are "done" and believe it to be better I would suggest you don't really have a lot of choice and never did. The foreskin is there for a reason, protection of the glans (head of the penis) and it should never be tampered with except for medical reasons not religion or because it's the done thing. Research has shown women and men get more pleasure during sex if the guy is uncircumcised.There is even a procedure for foreskin restoration : Restore Foreskin and Enjoy Lovemaking Better !
I have tats and piercings and voluntarily had them done, I have no regrets at all as I love my tats.
PS this is a foreskin restorer.
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Originally Posted by intrepidus6
i have nothing against religious beliefs, but some things are quite far fetched, and this is as far as they come for me.
what gods? lol they never asked me for their respect, and i dont see them respecting me, so why should i respect imaginary beings by mutilating my penis?
I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power. Please, lets discontinue our "conversation" of godly matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
only expanding my mind, feel free to contact me at my hotmail messenger if you would like to share any insights then.
i tend to be very skeptical of such things, so forgive me for intruding.
You're a bit perverse, aren't you? And a bit of a faker and a game-player, too, to be quite honest. First you sign up to participate on an anonymous, public Internet forum and engage in disucssions with perfect strangers. Then you initiate a discussion/create a thread on the subject of circumcision. You raise the subject of your religious motivations and justification for circumcision inside that thread. Then you demur when someone asks you to justify your stance, saying things like that's "really more than I should be saying to just any random person" and "I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. . . . Please, let's discontinue our "conversation" of godly matters."Quote:
Originally Posted by intrepidus6
Just thought I'd point your remarkable hypocrisy here. If you don't want to discuss matters with strangers, you might want to avoid participation in an Internet discussion forum. And if you don't want to discuss a certain subject, you might want to avoid initiating threads on that topic--or avoid pointing to your own religious motivations and then demurring a subsequent question on the grounds that you don't want to discuss your religious motivations. Faker.
Looks like somone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!
Seriusly, just because we disagree on the matter of circumcision does not give you any right to flame me like that. I said nothing to you that in any way should have started an argument.
I'm not exactly sure what you think I am a faker about... mind explaining? Or is me asking you to explain that just part of my "little game" that apparentally I am playing?
I love my penis. I love it in one piece.
If you like your's cut, fair enough. I still think it's wrong to cut off an infant's foreskin for such a small reason. Smegma, or "dick cheese", Is washed away in about two seconds. Apply soap as you would to any other circumcised penis, and you have the same thing, a dick. For me, personally, for any noticeable amount of smegma build-up, I need to be doing something like camping, and have not had a shower in three days. Small amounts can appear at the end of a day let's say, but that only happens after a day of thoroughly masturbating.
I just don't see a point to it... A circumcised penis is just as good as an un-circumcised penis, and vice versa. I just don't see the point of cutting off that little piece of skin.
Peace, :rastasmoke:
EDIT: Also, people need to take a look back when talking about this issue. It's a touchy thing. Men are very self conscious about their penis. So if someone says "Circumcised is better." Do to you think the guy with the ant-eaters gonna say, "Shit, he's right, my dick sucks..."
EDIT 2: LOL Imagine if an un-circumcised guy used that foreskin revival thing.
I'm in a perfectly good mood, Intrepidus6. I pointed out what seems very clearly to be your fakery just above. Also, I was simply being candid, not flaming you. And this has absolutely nothing to do with your stance on circumcision, I assure you. I disagree with people all the time on these boards quite happily, but if you had read what I wrote further above, you'd see that I believe circumcision for religious reasons is generally reasonable justification. Others disagreed with you on that that, but I wasn't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by intrepidus6
Let me spell this out for you again so you can understand where your hypocrisy stands out. If this doesn't help you understand what I'm saying, then you're simply going to have to stop and think about this for a time until it makes sense, and you??re going to need to read this information very slowly and deliberately. Let??s start with three basic facts:
1. You sign up to participate on an Internet forum where people discuss things with strangers.
2. You initiate a thread containing a poll on the subject of circumcision, asking if people are circumcised and what their opinions on the subject are. Later in the thread, you mention that you wish you??d been circumcised
3. You state your basis for supporting circumcision, which is your religious beliefs.
Now for the contradictions, which certainly look very hypocritical, considering the three corresponding facts above:
1. You demur (avoid giving an answer based on your scruples) answering someone's question in one of the posts above because you'd "rather not discuss this with someone I don't know." See the contradiction there? You're the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board. That's who you discuss things with on these forums--perfect strangers.
2. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why you wish you??d been circumcised, you said ??for religious reasons? but when he questioned you further, you told him you??ve already said more than you should ??to just any random person.? The contradiction here is the fact that you raised the subject and initiated the thread in the first place, then stated your own reasons for wishing you??d had the procedure. Yet you didn??t feel you could answer his questions because he??s a random person? Again, remember, you??re the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board with, yes, random people. More than just one contradiction there.
3. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why your religion condoned the removal of a boy??s foreskin, you gave a very brief explanation before demurring again on the basis that you really shouldn??t be discussing such things with a random person or someone you ??don??t even know? and saying you needed to discontinue your discussion of such godly matters. The contradiction here lies in the fact that you pointed to your religious beliefs to justify your support for circumcision, yet when he questioned you about it, you said you couldn??t continue discussing godly matters with someone you don??t know. Contradiction number 1 is involved here, too. You??re discussing all this with people you don??t know. You started a thread to discuss this whole subject with people you don??t know.
I??m fairly certain this may all confuse you further, and I??ve just about come to the conclusion that you??re not able to read and understand things quite in the same fashion that others do, which means my assessment of you as a faker may indeed be inaccurate. If you were actually able to comprehend the posts above, none of what I??ve said above would have been confusing to you, including that little aside regarding plastic surgery and tattoos, which you interpreted me as having disapproved of.
I certainly wish you well on your quest for circumcision peace, but I suspect that it may be of benefit to your mental health if I stop engaging you in further conversation here.
No one has said circumcision is better, only that it makes sense due to easier upkeep and reduced risk from infections, be they bacterial or viral. No one has come in here proclaiming the top-hats to be 'Un-Improved Males' or anything. And on the contrary, men in this forum have largely proven themselves open to discussion on this topic, with senses of humor no less.Quote:
Also, people need to take a look back when talking about this issue. It's a touchy thing. Men are very self conscious about their penis. So if someone says "Circumcised is better." Do to you think the guy with the ant-eaters gonna say, "Shit, he's right, my dick sucks..."
There are however some who continue to label circumcision as blatant mutilation despite facts that indicate otherwise - sorry, but I'm not mutilated, just different.
It should be noted however, that some uncut guys have already expressed sentiments to the effect that they wish they had been - which disproves your ending statement, albeit not with the same wording.
I'll say this much: being able to take a female up on her offer of spontaneous oral sex is nice as you don't have to worry about the normal fluid and dead cell production that comes with having an intact foreskin. "Hold that thought while I wipe this off" is a real mood killer I think. ;) Most girls are horrified at the thought of a guy going down on them and detecting 'clitty litter' and/or odor. I guess one of the reasons I hear so much negative feedback over it from my female friends is that a lot of uncut men unfortunately don't have similar concerns.
Ugh yeah dude, that pic has been haunting me since I saw it, yuck - keeps making me think about all the gnarly little gizmos I saw on the History Channels show on Torture. On the plus side, you might be able to smoke a nug out of it! ;)Quote:
LOL Imagine if an un-circumcised guy used that foreskin revival thing.
I was going to undertake a response to intrepid about the curious citing of religion and subsequent hastily beat retreat from it, but it seems birdie has already expounded my thoughts quite well!
"I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power." :D How about when we type them, do they still pulse with power when we type them? :p
birdgirl youre a legend.