parents and religion, when you're different

so my mother is a catholic, and my father is a christian, they have a had a few minor arguements on how to religiously raise my sister and I, but my father said to leave it alone and let us (my sister and I) to decide for ourselves.

Well, I have no idea where my sister stands on her religious beliefs, but i do think she believes in God.

Myself on the other hand.... I take a few religious beliefs that are considered evil, wicked, and heretic.

When I somewhat told my mom where I stood on religion, she said that I'm going to hell. I kind of bothered me, and I dont really know how to deal with it. I dont want to talk to my mom about it, because I know she wont look at me the same.

tell her to prove that there is a hell and it might shut her up...

What exactly are your religious beliefs, Sam?

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

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Originally Posted by MastaChronic

tell her to prove that there is a hell and it might shut her up...

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LOL
tell her also that "read the bible" and "just believe" are NOT real valid arguments.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

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All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic. Sam had it right. My parents are both Catholic and my mom is incredibly religious. I would never be able to tell her that i think god is whatever you want it to be.

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Originally Posted by ericwt

What exactly are your religious beliefs, Sam?

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I am a satanist, but will not say what else I am, people will flame me if I say, so I wont

If it is your belief you shouldnt be ashamed of it

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Originally Posted by 40oz

If it is your belief you shouldnt be ashamed of it

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Im not my mother is

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Originally Posted by Samwhore

I am a satanist, but will not say what else I am, people will flame me if I say, so I wont

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i don't know what to tell you, but i i disbelieve in god, and if he IS real, i hate him... but i plan on letting my son make up his own mind, and i will.... parents that force religion on their child should be punished for it... anyone that tells anyone else how to think and what to believe should be punished....

i'd tell your mom to back off, and that the decision in what to believe in (if anything) is YOUR DECISION.... and it shouldn't be any other way... if she has a problem with it... well... there's nothing you can do... i've learned [generally] when a christian thinks they are right, they WILL NOT back down, no matter what...

trust me you will be flamed if you don't tell
plus you have the anonymity of the internet so who cares?

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Originally Posted by N3D FLANDERS

trust me you will be flamed if you don't tell
plus you have the anonymity of the internet so who cares?

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the mods will ban me, they will think im racist

I don't think people will flame you for your beliefs. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

That's a tough one there. I had a similar problem when I was younger. I just kept it hidden so it would not cause conflict.

Christianity and Satanism are pretty different.

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

if you get banned for your religion i will shake my fist in the air in anger for you.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

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I take it you've never met any "Christians" Birdgirl. Trust me, if you did you'd know exactly what Sam meant.

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Originally Posted by 40oz

if you get banned for your religion i will shake my fist in the air in anger for you.

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the 2nd part is not a religion, its a belief that a few people follow

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Originally Posted by ericwt

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

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Im still deciding

So its something like your a nazi?

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Originally Posted by 40oz

So its something like your a nazi?

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thats the idea, if i said i was a nazi, people would get mad

and i doubt the mods would appreciate that

Well without stepping into religion and personal beliefs I will tell you there is no way a serious Christan parent is going to be okay with this.

They conflict with each other. I would just keep your way secret. It is less of a pain in the ass that way.

But maybe some others have ideas.

Good Luck you are going to need it.

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Originally Posted by 40oz

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic. Sam had it right. My parents are both Catholic and my mom is incredibly religious. I would never be able to tell her that i think god is whatever you want it to be.

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I think you must have misunderstood what I was asking her. I didn't say that all Christians were Catholic. Everyone with even the most basic understanding of religion knows that.

Yes Birdie, thats what I meant, I dont know what my dad is, he doesnt either, he just calls himself "Christian"

So are they really not OK with your believing what you want to believe? I hope my son will believe whatever he wants, including being religious if it makes him happy. I doubt that'll happen, though. He's been raised very freely, and I doubt he'll suddenly change over to serious formal religion.

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Originally Posted by ericwt

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

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I though about that, the left hand path doesnt really seem satanist to me, so im going La Vey

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

So are they really not OK with your believing what you want to believe?

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If they were okay with it I would have told them and this thread would have never been here

What draws you to satanistic beliefs so much if you dont mind me asking.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I take it you've never met any "Christians" Birdgirl. Trust me, if you did you'd know exactly what Sam meant.

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I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? I'm not sure because I can't hear your tone of voice and because I was raised so religiously freely that I don't always fully comprehend how more formal religion affects folks, but I do see plenty of chest-puffing, prideful "Christians" around here if that's what you were referring to. I may be a Unitarian, but I do live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

so wait who's a nazi?

^ high ^

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? .

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Exactly Birdgirl. Like the people who moved in next door to my parents house. My wife and I had gone over to visit and as we got out of the car they came up to introduce themselves. Within the first 5 minutes of meeting them they had made a point of of telling us they were "Christians" and asked if we were too. We explained we were Godless heathens and now they don't have much to say to us anymore. In contrast, the Muslim family that lives on the other side are some of the nicest people you could ever want to meet. Just goes to show it's a person's character, not their religion, that makes them a good or bad person.

religion is a matter of choice.
I have investigated and experience a number of religions, but it alll boiled down to one thing. I don't believe in a God or Satan. So, it really throws things off.


What do satanist's believe?

just curious, I have never really read that much about it. I used to listen to Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Slayer though.

I don't think satanist actually believe in, or worship "Satan", but rather value what he stands/stood for. "Do what thou wilt" (Aliester Crowly) Anton Levay created the Church of Satan, and they basicly believe in doing whatever you want if you find it enjoyable. It's all about pleasure,and I've seen no real evedence of sacrifice, or dumb sh!t like that.. ..It's a selfish religion, but pretty harmless for the most part.


That's my understanding, anyway. Of course, I'm not a satanist, I've just read about them. ..


Junk~

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

I don't think satanist actually believe in, or worship "Satan", but rather value what he stands/stood for. "Do what thou wilt" (Aliester Crowly) Anton Levay created the Church of Satan, and they basicly believe in doing whatever you want if you find it enjoyable. It's all about pleasure,and I've seen no real evedence of sacrifice, or dumb sh!t like that.. ..It's a selfish religion, but pretty harmless for the most part.


That's my understanding, anyway. Of course, I'm not a satanist, I've just read about them. ..


Junk~

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Shit, I must be a satanist...

If that is all it is...then whats the point...I would just rather live life the way I want to than to have to attend the church or whatever. I hate wasting my time listening to one guy talk about stuff (religion) it seems so sheepish.

There's probably more to it than that, I'd think comradary, and shock value plays a big part in being a member. Plus, many do the whole orgy thing, which might lend a little inticement to the younger folk. They hate Christians, yet pretty much rely on them in a way. (from what I understand, lol!) They have their rituals, and masses, but it all comes down to freedom. Why anyone would feel the need to join a satanist church is beyond me, but many do and I suppose it's because they somehow gain some satisfaction from it.

god is real and i have proof

For all you who have asked, heres a little satanist 101

[align=center]The Nine Satanic Statements[/align]
[align=center]from The Satanic Bible, ©1969[/align]
[align=center]by Anton Szandor LaVey[/align]
[align=center][français][/align]

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his â??divine spiritual and intellectual development,â?� has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


[align=center]The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth[/align]
[align=center]by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967[/align]
[align=center][Spanish, Croation] [/align]

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



[align=center]The Nine Satanic Sins[/align]
[align=center]by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987[/align]

1. Stupidityâ??The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. Itâ??s too bad that stupidity isnâ??t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousnessâ??Empty posturing can be most irritating and isnâ??t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyoneâ??s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsismâ??Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They wonâ??t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of â??Do unto others as they do unto you.â?� Itâ??s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceitâ??Itâ??s in the â??Nine Satanic Statementsâ?� but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when itâ??s fun, and with awareness. But then, itâ??s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformityâ??Thatâ??s obvious from a Satanic stance. Itâ??s all right to conform to a personâ??s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspectiveâ??Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraintsâ??know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxiesâ??Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality itâ??s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Prideâ??That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when youâ??ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, Iâ??m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aestheticsâ??This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. Itâ??s not whatâ??s supposed to be pleasingâ??itâ??s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of oneâ??s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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god is real and i have proof

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I SAW GOD, it was so pretty, I took pictures in the sky too, but they didnt look like anything when i looked at them again, but i dont believe in what god stands for

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

Exactly Birdgirl. Like the people who moved in next door to my parents house. My wife and I had gone over to visit and as we got out of the car they came up to introduce themselves. Within the first 5 minutes of meeting them they had made a point of of telling us they were "Christians" and asked if we were too. We explained we were Godless heathens and now they don't have much to say to us anymore. In contrast, the Muslim family that lives on the other side are some of the nicest people you could ever want to meet. Just goes to show it's a person's character, not their religion, that makes them a good or bad person.

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I wish I could have seen that exchange! I take great pleasure in watching the color drain out of "Christian" faces when I tell them I don't buy their line of organized religious thinking or intend to buy into it. We have some neighbors who're the same way, and I have a cousin who's positively glowing she's so holy, pious, and proud of the fact that she "loves the Lord." Our favorite neighbors are a lovely Indian couple from Mumbai who have been appalled by the amount of proselytizing they've encountered since moving to Texas. It is indeed the character that matters. Live and let live. What a concept.

Without going off topic this is a problem of differences of opinion between a Christan Mother and a daughter that is not of a Christan mindset.

To let you know there is more than one kind of satanist. Just like there is different forms of Christianity. I would be happy to discuss this in religion, not in this section of cannabis.com.

Sam I wish I could tell you something to help you resolve the situation with your mom. But there is nothing for me to tell you. As long as you talk of Satan to her, she will think you are going to hell. Nothing will change this.

I only hope you are not doing this to rebel against your parents and society.

In our lives, what we focus on will find us eventually. I hope you know what you are getting into.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? I'm not sure because I can't hear your tone of voice and because I was raised so religiously freely that I don't always fully comprehend how more formal religion affects folks, but I do see plenty of chest-puffing, prideful "Christians" around here if that's what you were referring to. I may be a Unitarian, but I do live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

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then you have no idea how lucky you are... there are those fanaticals.. i just like to call them christians... cuz it's easier... that will dog you, and make or try to make you feel like shit (doesn't work on me.. haha those fuckin losers are wasting their breath on me...) because you don't believe.. i mean.. DAMN! it says in the bible we have freedom of choice... it's not like i'm doing the exact opposite and worshiping satan (no offense sam, i admit i haven't read through the whole thread but i did see that come up) no... they make you feel like complete shit just for not believing... can you imagine that? can you imagine how much worse off this world would be with just a few more of those people and a few less 'restrictions' such as 'thou shall not kill' ??? shit, it'd be the 'begining' all over again.. 'worship my god or die' ..... wait that is still going on... go figure... :mad: