The Troops DO NOT want reinforcements

Soldiers Question Iraq Troop Increase

Associated Press | December 28, 2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Many of the American soldiers trying to quell sectarian killings in Baghdad don't appear to be looking for reinforcements. They say the temporary surge in troop levels some people are calling for is a bad idea.

U.S. President George W. Bush is considering increasing the number of troops in Iraq and embedding more U.S. advisers in Iraqi units. White House advisers have indicated Bush will announce his new plan for the war before his State of the Union address Jan. 23.

In dozens of interviews with soldiers of the Army's 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment as they patrolled the streets of eastern Baghdad, many said the Iraqi capital is embroiled in civil warfare between majority Shiite Muslims and Sunni Arabs that no number of American troops can stop.

Others insisted current troop levels are sufficient and said any increase in U.S. presence should focus on training Iraqi forces, not combat.

But their more troubling worry was that dispatching a new wave of soldiers would result in more U.S. casualties, and some questioned whether an increasingly muddled American mission in Baghdad is worth putting more lives on the line.

Spc. Don Roberts, who was stationed in Baghdad in 2004, said the situation had gotten worse because of increasing violence between Shiites and Sunnis.

"I don't know what could help at this point," said Roberts, 22. "What would more guys do? We can't pick sides. It's almost like we have to watch them kill each other, then ask questions."

Based in Fort Lewis, Washington, the battalion is part of the 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 2nd Infantry Division. Deployed in June, its men were moved to Baghdad from Mosul in late November to relieve another Stryker battalion that had reached the end of its tour.

"Nothing's going to help. It's a religious war, and we're caught in the middle of it," said Sgt. Josh Keim, who is on his second tour in Iraq. "It's hard to be somewhere where there's no mission and we just drive around."

Capt. Matt James, commander of the battalion's Company B, was careful in how he described the unit's impact since arriving in Baghdad.

"The idea in calling us in was to make things better here, but it's very complicated and complex," he said.

But James said more troops in combat would likely not have the desired effect.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...ESRC=army-a.nl


Notice the comment about the civil warfare that does not exist :rolleyes: *cough* Psycho Can you smell that crow cooking? :D

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Notice the comment about the civil warfare that does not exist :rolleyes: *cough* Psycho Can you smell that crow cooking? :D

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About a year or so ago you used to state the same type of things regarding the entire country of Iraq.......now your limited to Bagdad.

Now don't you be filling yourself on snacks.....the main course is coming!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

You're pussy footing around the issue AGAIN. this was published on the main military website! The troops DO NOT want more troops involved in the CIVIL WAR you refuse to acknowledge exists. WHY? What do you gain by perpetuating this facade? I just don't understand Psycho. Please tell me why you want to believe there is no civil war when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

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You're pussy footing around the issue AGAIN.

LOL.....aren't "Cats" the ones that pussy foot?

this was published on the main military website! The troops DO NOT want more troops involved in the CIVIL WAR you refuse to acknowledge exists. WHY? What do you gain by perpetuating this facade? I just don't understand Psycho. Please tell me why you want to believe there is no civil war when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

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civil war: A war between factions of the same country; there are
five criteria for international recognition of this status: the
contestants must control territory, have a functioning government,
enjoy some foreign recognition, have identifiable regular armed
forces, and engage in major military operations.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...20/10020gl.htm

Only the Iraqi Gov. claims to control territory
Only one functioning government.
Only one with foreign recognition
Insurgents/terrorists/secular do not have identifiable regular armed forces
Only one, the Iraqi Gov. engages in major military operations. A dumbass with a suicide vest does not constitute a major operation.

Now based on the same criteria you tell my why they are. Thank you!:D

Don't know if your a Giants fan or not.......sorry to see them loose to the Eagles.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Ok this is from the very website you just posted...

Iraq In Civil War Says Former Premier


March 19, 2006 - Iraq's former prime minister, Iyad Allawi, says he believes sectarian violence has taken Iraq into a state of civil war.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...19-rferl01.htm

Saudi Foreign Minister Says Iraq Is In Civil War


April 9, 2006 -- Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, today became the second senior Middle Eastern political figure in two days to call the violence in Iraq a civil war.
Prince Saud said the definition of civil war is that the people of a country are fighting each other and that, by that standard, Iraq must be seen as in being in a state of civil war. He said the Arab League must work to bring the Iraqi sides together to avoid what he called a "disaster" for the region.
Prince Saud's remarks to journalists came a day after Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak warned that Iraq is in the throes of a civil war that threatens the entire Middle East.
Iraq "is not on the threshold [of civil war]. It has pretty much started," Mubarek said, adding that "I don't know how Iraq is going to get together again. The country is nearly destroyed.''

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...09-rferl03.htm

So I used the very website you posted to prove you wrong.....lets see what was the term slipknot used? Pwned? Yes I believe that's it you sir have been pwned :D

And I'm not a Giants fan but the Cowboy's fumble was pretty sweet...GO SEAHAWKS!!!

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Ok this is from the very website you just posted...

Iraq In Civil War Says Former Premier

March 19, 2006 - Iraq's former prime minister, Iyad Allawi, says he believes sectarian violence has taken Iraq into a state of civil war.

Here's something a little more recent from Allawi, seems the term of "civil war" has been replaced with push the country towards civil war.:
former Iraqi defence minister Ali Allawi presented a blueprint for peace in Iraq. His proposals have met with overwhelming approval

A blueprint for peace in Iraq has won praise from across the political establishment as senior figures from all parties urged a new strategy to bring states across the Middle East into the struggle to end the conflict.

Senior Labour figures joined opposition MPs in welcoming the plan, set out by Iraq's former defence minister Ali Allawi, for Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey to be given a role in helping to end the increasingly bitter sectarian divisions in Iraq that have helped push the country towards civil war. Senior military figures and foreign affairs analysts also backed the intervention of Mr Allawi, a senior adviser to the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, whose blueprint was revealed in yesterday's Independent.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2129987.ece


Saudi Foreign Minister Says Iraq Is In Civil War

Once again, something a bit more recent. Now the term is "sectarian violence":

JEDDAH, 20 December 2006 â?? Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said yesterday that Saudi Arabia would not take sides in Iraqi sectarian violence, denying press reports that Riyadh would support Sunnis in the wake of a US withdrawal from the war-torn country.

â??Since the start of the crisis in Iraq.. ..the Kingdom has said it will stand at an equal distance from all Iraqi groups and does not describe itself as the guardian of any group or sect,â?� he said to reporters in Riyadh.

He said Saudi Arabia would continue its efforts to bring about security and stability in Iraq. â??We cooperate with all those who want a united, independent and sovereign Iraq,â?� he said. â??And we hope all Iraqi citizens receive equal rights and duties under the law.â?�
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/ar...d-presser.html

So I used the very website you posted to prove you wrong.....lets see what was the term slipknot used? Pwned? Yes I believe that's it you sir have been pwned :D

Touche!:D

And I'm not a Giants fan but the Cowboy's fumble was pretty sweet...GO SEAHAWKS!!!

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Seahawks........bit suprised by that but best of luck! Got a few hand-me-downs from my team, THE PACKERS! lol

Oh ya, my point is that if these folk really believed it was a civil war wouldn't they hold to that terminology? Gotta figure too, that was from almost a year ago.......things have improved since then.:D

I was also wondering when/if you were going to reply on this thread....lol...something special in there just for you!;)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=97093

As always........it has been a pleasure.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Things HAVE NOT IMPROVED Psycho!!! I don't know where you get that!!

Read the Military Times I would think they would know.

On my way to the other thread now....

I agree that the US should not send more troops because it is getting far worse then people could imagine since the invasion. I guess the war planners in their infinite wisdom forgot a thing called "insurgency"...or did they??? US troops are essentially target practice for the "insurgents" and if the US sends more troops over there, it will just be more target practice.

Americans are not stupid. Most know that this war is full of shit and for control for the oil. They know it was based on lies and that the WMDs story were simply an excuse and a scare tactic. Just wait until Iran switches to the Euro.

Thank goodness Canada didn't support the Iraq war. But then again, Canadians are known to be more tolerant and open eh! You'll be seeing more and more soldiers coming to Canada if the US escalates the war into Syria and Iran.

Hey HinduKush.......see your new. Welcome to the forums! This and sexuallity are about the only areas that you can let your hair down and call someone a dumb son-of-a-bitch. ENJOY! LOL

Things seem to get a bit hot in here so beware.

By the way, the Canadians may not have supported the war but they were one of the first to ask for exploration rights to oil fields. Your welcome! LOL

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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I agree that the US should not send more troops because it is getting far worse then people could imagine since the invasion. I guess the war planners in their infinite wisdom forgot a thing called "insurgency"...or did they??? US troops are essentially target practice for the "insurgents" and if the US sends more troops over there, it will just be more target practice.

Americans are not stupid. Most know that this war is full of shit and for control for the oil. They know it was based on lies and that the WMDs story were simply an excuse and a scare tactic. Just wait until Iran switches to the Euro.

Thank goodness Canada didn't support the Iraq war. But then again, Canadians are known to be more tolerant and open eh! You'll be seeing more and more soldiers coming to Canada if the US escalates the war into Syria and Iran.

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Welcome to the forums....your wisdom is appreciated :D

"DarkGreen[color=Blue]"]"I have reached the tentative conclusion that a significant portion of this administration, maybe even including the vice president, believes Iraq is lost. They have no answer to deal with how badly they have screwed it up. I am not being facetious now. Therefore, the best thing to do is keep it from totally collapsing on your watch and hand it off to the next guy -- literally, not figuratively."[/COLOR] Senator Joe Biden!

"If you're going to sacrifice anything, sacrifice your intention not MORE American lives, Mr. Bush."

To an extent I could support the invasion because Saddam was a tyrant and a bloodthirsty dictator who killed many thousands of innocent people. I'm sure he's in Hades now or whatever you call "hell" that he made people suffer through in life.

But he should not have been allowed to rise to power in the first place, but the Americans let him and funded him because they did not want fundamental Islam coming into Iraq as it did to Iran.

It really boggles my mind that Bush would go after Iraq when they have found no evidence or traces of weapons of mass destruction. I think you could call it weapons of mass delusion now. I bet if people in America knew that there were no weapons before the war, they probably would have had Bush impeached. I have to admit, Bush did try really hard to sell this war to the American public.

I think the US should go after North Korea because they have admitted they have nukes.

Believe me, a lot of people in Canada have great hatred for Bush, but not Americans. There is a big difference. It is kind of like love the sinner but hate the sin.

Even Canada's drug policy is dictated by the US and we don't want their style of a "drug war" here. When we legalize hopefully soon when the Conservatives are out, we can move forward towards a better future for all of North America.

Do a google search on "WMDs moved to Syria". There have been several threads in here on the subject also. There is a Syrian Journalist in exile right now because he printed the story with locations. There is also one of Saddams ex-generals that confirmed the move.

Lets not forget about the nuclear scientist that just happened to have plans buried in his garden per Saddams request.

17 U.N. resolutions broke, paying families of Martyrs, acts of genocide on the Kurds and Shiites........etc........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Syrian Journalist:
http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

Saddams General:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialRe...20060202a.html

Read the book: The Bomb in My Garden
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyT...471679658.html
"This one book will tell you more about Iraqâ??s quest for weapons of mass destruction than all U.S. intelligence on the subject. It is a fascinating and rare glimpse inside Saddam Husseinâ??s Iraqâ??and inside a tyrantâ??s mind."
â??Fareed Zakaria
author of The Future of Freedom

"The Bomb in My Garden is important and utterly gripping. The old cliché is trueâ??you start reading, and you donâ??t want to stop. Mahdi Obeidiâ??s story makes clear how hard Saddam Hussein tried to develop a nuclear weapon, and the reasons he fell short. It is also unforgettable as a picture of how honorable people tried to cope with a despotâ??s demands. I enthusiastically recommend this book."
â??James Fallows
National Correspondent, The Atlantic Monthly

"Obeidi was the key scientist in Saddamâ??s centrifuge program, and he was central when they tried to conceal it. He was already thought to be too friendly to the weapons inspectors, and he showed considerable personal courage in coming forward as he did during very unsettled conditions after the war."
â??David Kay
former UN weapons inspector and Head of the Iraqi Survey Group in charge of searching for weapons of mass destruction

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Do a google search on "WMDs moved to Syria". There have been several threads in here on the subject also. There is a Syrian Journalist in exile right now because he printed the story with locations. There is also one of Saddams ex-generals that confirmed the move.

Lets not forget about the nuclear scientist that just happened to have plans buried in his garden per Saddams request.

17 U.N. resolutions broke, paying families of Martyrs, acts of genocide on the Kurds and Shiites........etc........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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So they went to Iraq, then to Iran, and now to Syria? Can the US just pick a place where the weapons are?! My goodness eh!

Do a google search on "WMDs moved to Syria". If we (Bush) knew they were moved to syria, why did he lie and accuse Iraq of having them?

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Do a google search on "WMDs moved to Syria". If we (Bush) knew they were moved to syria, why did he lie and accuse Iraq of having them?

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Did you even bother to read the links? That'll answer your questions.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

There was an U.N. report(LoL) that stated that they were destroyed back in the first gulf war.....sorry no links just going off memory

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There was an U.N. report(LoL) that stated that they were destroyed back in the first gulf war.....sorry no links just going off memory

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Just off memory huh?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Did you even bother to read the links? That'll answer your questions.Read them, kinda hazy reading, not too factual as I see them, but then why didn't Bush attack syria or just a missle strike on the locations, Maybe because Syria didn't have all that oil! Just an Idea! Trying to justify the Iraqi war is a non-starter with me. There is just no reasonable explanation other than Oil and big contracts for Haliburton! all this WMD bullshit is a non-entity, there were no connections to Al-Queda, No yellow cake, all bullshit! As I've stated several times, A war for profit! Period!

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Did you even bother to read the links? That'll answer your questions.Read them, kinda hazy reading, not too factual as I see them, but then why didn't Bush attack syria or just a missle strike on the locations, Maybe because Syria didn't have all that oil! Just an Idea! Trying to justify the Iraqi war is a non-starter with me. There is just no reasonable explanation other than Oil and big contracts for Haliburton! all this WMD bullshit is a non-entity, there were no connections to Al-Queda, No yellow cake, all bullshit! As I've stated several times, A war for profit! Period!

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I agree.

Bush is still trying to justify his failed Iraq policy.

Just 2 more years.........who knows what's going to happen next!

Train the Iraqis, and leave, with a goal to keep middle east relations to a minimum, trade and some foreign exchange programs, that's it.

Only time will tell.

These are high times we are living in my friends - high times.

How many suicide bombers blew themselves up in Iraq before we invaded.....

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Only time will tell.

These are high times we are living in my friends - high times.

How many suicide bombers blew themselves up in Iraq before we invaded.....

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And they will continue to do so until we leave...

Are you Dick Justice? He used an Avatar like that one...he was so funny I loved to read him...