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Hey the US government says that it doesnt exist but. I do belive that this winter has proved that it does exist. i live in OHIO and there has not been any snow at all and its the end of december??????? I have never seen no snow at all before until this year. Its fucking crazy man
I'ts not global warming. Global warming is just what the hippies are calling the global climate shift. We're way overdue for one. If anything, global warming is keeping shit tolerable for us just a little longer. Mother nature will catch up and climates everywhere will be wayy off but it's not global warming. Don't beleive Gore. Hairspray and SUV's are not killing hte planet and he did not invent the internet.
man around va its like in the 50-60 when you go out u look around u see poeple in shorts!!! n sum in jeans but the coldest it ever got was in the mid 30s
I heard it on the news today,,,they are calling it a climate change now...
Yup, I've been hearing it everywhere. I've also heard a number of conflicting study results so until the beach starts to freeze, then I'll just keep on keep'n on. For instance, on one hand you hear that the icecaps are melting, but I remember hearing something last summer about one of the caps actually being bigger than it was supposed to be. Same goes for the ozone, I hear it's getting thinner, but I've hard that in some studies it appears to be thicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skink
Bottom line, short of an asteroid or gamma ray, or the sun burning out or similar, the earth will keep on turning. It got by fine lone before we came along, if we trash it up a bit, the earth will clean itself (iceage, or supervolcanoes or something wild) and get it's shit back together. To think that by just living here we can end or save the planet is just insane arrogance. :cool:
it does exist. this is just like with weed where the government doesnt change anything because they dont want to admit they were totally wrong. when they do finally admit it they wont admit to making any mistakes though, just like with iraq
It has been happening since the last ice age, the world has been raising 2 degrees every century for thousands of years.
We are gonna hit the change and it won't be anything like the day after tommorrow, but similiar.
SEE AL GORES MOVIE.. it will explain it ALL...
it is an AMAZING MOVIE... actually, dont think of it as al gores movie.. think of it as just a MOVIE...
I have never met anyone who did not think the movie was AMAZING except for people who DID NOT LIKE AL GORE before they saw the movie... this is the kind of movie that changes peoples lives...
if you would like a copy, I can send you a copy.. FREE of course..
cheers
All of the evidence collected to date SHOWS that there has NEVER EVER been anythinglike this before.. NOT even close..
does that mean it has not happened before .. well NO..
but please dont misinform people and say this is part of a cycle.. there has never been a 10 year 1 degree shift in global temperature. and they have taken core samples that go back more than "5 cycles"
100 years ago there were 2 billion people on planet earth.. today there are 6 billion people... think for just a couple minutes baout this... ove rthe past 9,900 years.. the highest the human population ever GOT was 2 billion.. and now i the the last 100 years it has grown to 6 billion and 1 billion are driving SUVs.. LOL...
do not fight the people who are trying to help the earth.. if you don't believe it.. just stay out of their way...
lovelovelove
VERY similar. I watched a special on that. They said that Great Britain would have the same climate as what Alaska feels right now......something due to the fresh water displaced in the ocean from the melting ice cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Can you imagine people... asking if smoking is bad for you?
Well,
burning objects..any objects, and inhaling the fumes on a regular basis.. is bad for your LUNGS.. it is a NO brainer..... yet docters for years said smoking was OK...
LOL
just be honest with yourself.. it makes life more fun!!!
LOL...remember the old ciggy commercials..........."Taste me, taste me"Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
ok i know this is wrong but i'm actually kinda grateful for global warming, we've actually had some SUNSHINE here in scotland because of it LOL! :p
More information on Global Warming.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
yeah i know this shit is crazy. i live in indiana and the weather is actually nice even though it is damn near january. shit has never been like this. it gets warmer each year here. befor you kno it indiana is going to have that warm climate. i dont have a problem with it tho hahaha.
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garden knowm, have you ever read the book state of fear? Even if the book is fiction it presents some interesting ideas.
There's no such thing as far as im concerned.
Look at the last iceage. There were no cars, factories, and all the other things that "are bad for the planet" so how the fooking hell did the ice melt? Naturally? Well, it must have been.
That's my argument, to be honest it's not something i particualy care about, by the time the world goes tits up and the shit hits the fan i'll be dead, so i couldnt give a flying fuck.
I say we should do MORE to destroy our planet, it's going to shit now, i dont even wanna think what it'll be like in a few hundred years.
What people 4get is that the Ice Caps are already in the water and everybody knows when you put an Ice cube into water, it rises..When the Ice caps melt there will physically be less water in the Ocean. Its not the problem of the tides rising, its the freshwater -v- Saltwater that disrupts Ocean Rifts and changes climates..and thats been happening lately. Weve had a horrible summer in Ireland and a warm but miserable winter! Weve even had Mini tornadoes! Ppl say they dont care because they wont be around, but in the next 20/30 years theres gonna be major changes
It seems to be warming up really quickly. The winter weather was consistently a lot colder/snowier in southern NY and nothern PA just 15 or 20 years ago- lots of snowmobiling and skiing. I have to admit I like the warmth too. I'd better sell that property near the ocean in Florida soon though. It's going to be like Atlantis there once the ice shelves start melting...
NO i have not.. but I will give it a peak on google.. thank you....Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
I kinda like the warmer winters,,,beats having to move to florida for retirement...
I hope global warming is a total farse.. I hope there is no such thing.. I hope that we can continue to thrive as a people...
I am sure that those who are making efforts to exisist in harmony with the PLANET will succeed in furthering the evolotion of mans' existence, technology and ability thrive.
And if it is GLOBAL WARMING that is the catalyst and encourages this new growth, that is fantastic..
lovelovelvoe
Global warming exists. There is no point in denying it, all you're doing by doing so is admitting a lack of willingness or knowledge of dealing with the issue. No matter which way you look at it, the world's population has never even been anywhere nearly as close to what it is right now. The farting from all those people and the animals that are used to feed them, coupled with the declining forests of the world, is probably enough by itself to cause problems. People who deny the effects of civilian and industrial emissions are either too intimidated by the size of the problem or simply have no grasp of it. Shifts in global climates have occured before, but none have caused the pollar ice caps to melt, none bringing about rises in water levels around the world that were nearly as drastic as the ones we are witnessing.
Get real, anyone who says global warming is not true and that it's just something made up by a buch of hippies.
holy crap i didn't know this many people don't even believe in global warming.
after watching an inconvenient truth i actually felt like god did exist. if you pay attention to how the earth is displayed in that video we are on a lifeboat in something far bigger and crazier than we know and we are poking holes in that life boat without a care in the world.
if the ice caps melt you think we can survive? wrong, what happens when the water rises 1 mile? anyone below 7280ft is gonna be a little damn and when the continents turn into marshes what is gonna happen? there is no such thing as building infrastructure on a giant muddy bog.
but why should you care, its only your children who are gonna die
fucking morons, somehow we've been lucky enough to have been given a fucking PARADISE, all those myths about heaven on earth are perfectly true, we're living in it! have you seen all the beautiful places in the world.
and they're gonna be gone FOREVER because of a bunch of faggots who 'don't care'
i hope a HUGE hurricane takes out half the USA without warning, and causes a world wide reform and all the morons still driving SUV's get guillotined
As al gore put it, we have become a force of nature, we have the ability and ARE changing the composition of the atmosphere (guess what; the atmosphere is where we live)
Like I said, what is happening today has happened before.
The erratic changes in carbon deoxide happened right before the last ice age. We are just gonna go into another.
Shit happens.
Either way, it is the government keeping us in a state of fear.
When the populace is in a state of fear, it is much much more easy for the government to control.
the governement....
and who/what is the governement....?
DId you see an INconvienent Truth mr. leaf?
Was Al Gore sincere in that movie?
lovelovelove
No I havn't, I didn't like Gore.
And I am a Tennessian lol.
Global warming causes climate change. In other words, many people look around and are like "its been colder here than usual, global warming isn't occuring", but that is not true at all. Global warming causes climate change- so weird, abnormal weather- not necessarily hotter weather. The climate change we are experiencing IS the result of mankinds actions. The earth is going through a warming trend right now, but we are making it much worse- and it won't eventually end like all trends do, unless we fix our fuckups. Take a look around you and see all the shit we are pumping into our environment. If you don't think it is messing things up, you really need your head examined.
Harris7 will have lots to add on this topic I am sure, so let's see what he has to say.
okay, i put this in the spirituality forum first, but nobody paid it any mind
lets assume that the bible is true for a minute. the bible has prophesized that hell will come to earth (fire, death, destruction yadda yadda yadda).
okay, there have been a number of different ecological ages on earth (i.e. ice age) and what with global warming, it might just be a natural ecological change in the environment.
what if the earths temperature keeps increasing? i mean, like heavily increasing, enough to burn everything... could this not be described as the hell on earth that the bible mentions? a fire age.
it would kill off humans, everything pretty much, but there are plants that spawn fire resistant seeds, in fact, some of these seeds actually need the fire in order to sprout and grow. it is these plants that we first see after a volcanic eruption(besides all the weeds that get blown in).
maybe the next species to dominate the planet after humans are killed will be plants.
the ice age may have killed off the dinosaurs and the fire age might kill off the humans.
these plants wouldnt be at all intelligent at first, but neither were mammals.
but in time they might actually gain consciousness and their intelligence would increase (maybe, who knows?)
i seemed to have a spark of inspiration, but i lost it.
everybodies thoughts on this?
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That's not true. I can quite easily grasp it, and i understand it. I still dont belive it though. I dont care what happens to this planet, like i said, by the time the shit hits the fan im going to be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by IntrepidS
i dont believe global warming in the way its cried abt... i mean patterns change, the earth goes thro its turns with or with out ppl.... any way like in the 70s scientists thought that there was global cooling heading for the next ice age... they just cant decide :/
This shouldn’t be considered a debate. I know quite a bit about it so I’ll lay it out for ya’ll because it’s very obvious that most people hve no clue what its about.
(hey I didn’t either till I started reading books)
The first and most important thing, Climate change and Global warming are different things!!!!
I’ll break it down.
Greenhouse gasses cause global warming, and global warming causes climate change.
CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas but there are others (methane, nitrous oxide, water vapor, CFC’s …)
Most molecules in the atmosphere (oxygen, nitrogen and argon make up 99.95) allow practically all light waves to pass through them. Greenhouse gasses are gasses that do no allow light to pass though well (at certain wave lengths). What they do is change the light energy to heat energy.
CO2 is so important because it has such a small concentration in the atmosphere but a huge effect. Did you know that lowering the CO2 to 165 parts per million would cause an ice age? This is because there wouldn’t be enough CO2 to keep the planet warm.
Right now CO2 is around 350 ish ppm. So what do you think would happen as it increases? The planet will warm--- global warming.
Global warming is occurring there is no debate. People have been finding evidence of global warming and suggesting it’s relation to fossil fuels for over 50 years!
Climate change is much more complicated. There is some debate around climate change.
We all must realize that science is never 100% sure and thus there not 100% sure about climate change. But, does this uncertainty change our actions in other situations? No!
When you go to the hospital the doctor tells you that you might die from an injury unless he operates. Well should he operate? How many people would wait until you die (the only time your sure) to decide? No one.
The same goes for countless other situations. When the bad outcome is sever (death, climate change) and we are not 100% sure we still act and we should act.
The only resistance to climate change isn’t from scientists it is from partisan groups like oil companies. They run ads in the USA misleading the public. This is the only reason there is doubt in some people.
If you truly doubt that global warming or climate change is occurring I suggest you read more about it. I have read enough to know that this is an extremely complicated subject which I will never understand fully. To understand the convoluted nature of the subject and to be able to actually conclude something would take enormous effort. No one here has made the effort yet people here have come up with contrary answers to the scientists. Why?
No offence LIP but you do not understand it. You only think you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
I donā??t understand it but as I said I know how complex it is. The only people who have enough knowledge of the subject to make these conclusions are the people who have dedicated their lives to it. Have you? Then why the fuck do you think you know better than them?
is garden knowm serious about sending me a free copy of Al Gore's flick?
if so, hit me up ;), but yes i believe Al' Gore's fatass about this Global Warming
this year in montreal we had a green christmas that never happened before
for all the 16 fuckin years i've been alive in this place that never happened lol
Gore is onto something and hopefully people don't listen to the government
cause they lie about anything and everything just like they used to lol...
yeah just take a glimpse back to the freaky weather we had here in the lower mainland (BC) in November. We had record breaking rain, hurricane force winds, snow storms, and cold sunny weather. Normally we just have a bit of rain. None of that other shit. Global warming causes freaky weather- just cause it's not warm and balmy here doesn't convince me that it's not occuring. The fucked up weather does.
And LIP, maybe you will be dead when the earth and environment goes to hell, but if you ever have kids I think you would be hoping that they have a nice future- one without torrential storms and fatal weather systems.
Like I said
GLOBAL WARMING HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE LAST ICE AGE.
Before that ice age, global warming happened, and erratic spike in CO2 then bam ice age.
Same exact thing happening today, we are just helping it go faster.
We are gonna get into another ice age soon.
BIG FUCKING WHOOP
I like the cold.
you are completely backwards!!!!!!! an erratic spike in CO2 causes WARMING of the planet, NOT COOLING!!!!! We are not heading towards an ice age at all.
You are taking an overly simplified approach to this issue. CO2 isn't the only thing responsible for climate change, there are many other aspects to it. I suggest you read more about it and get your concepts straight.
sigh, the co2 warms the planet and causes the world to go into an erratic cooling process.
Like I said, it is similiar to the day after tommorrow, but at the same time not even close. The movie was based on scientific fact.
i don't see why so many people are worried about it, it's happened before, and it WILL happen again (ice ages, world destruction, ect..) i think it's george carlin who says something along the lines of "we're a threat to the planet? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!! we're just like a surface irritation to the earth, the earth was here long before we were and it'll be here long after we're gone, it'll shake us off like a pest and begin a new.."
these events are already set in motion, speed them up, slow them down, doesn't matter it WILL happen... so i really don't understand why everyone is so worried about it, it's completely out of our control... but i guess that's human nature, to try and control the things we can't, and explain the things we can't....
hmm that's interesting because everything i have read has said the other way around- the earth gets cold (ie ice age) and THEN a warming trend happens.
i guess what the real point is, is that global warming is occuring regardless, and whether it causes an ice age or not- it's going to fuck up our planet. agreed?