Ford disagreed with Bush on Iraq war

Ford asked that these statements be released after his death.

Former president Gerald Ford said that the Iraq war was not justified.

"I don't think I would have gone to war," he said a little more than a year after President George W. Bush had launched the invasion advocated and carried out by prominent veterans of Ford's own administration.

In a four-hour conversation at his house in Beaver Creek, Colorado, Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously.

In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice-President Dick Cheney - Ford's White House chief of staff - and then-Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his Pentagon chief.

Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."

In a conversation that veered between the current realities of a war in the Middle East and the old complexities of the war in Vietnam whose bitter end he presided over as president, Ford took issue with the notion of the United States entering a conflict in service of the idea of spreading democracy.

"Well, I can understand the theory of wanting to free people," Ford said, referring to Bush's assertion that the United States has a "duty to free people". But the former president said he was sceptical "whether you can detach that from the obligation number one, of what's in our national interest". He added: "And I just don't think we should go hellfire damnation around the globe freeing people, unless it is directly related to our own national security."

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/U.S.A/10092771.html

Ford was a good man, even though he was a Republican. Anyone that disagrees with the Bush administration must have a few brain cells working, Just how freakin stoned do you have to be to agree with them, man some people need to chill the f*** out and put their American pride bullshit to rest. America under Bush has done nothing to be proud of other than maybe the Aids money to Africa, a virtual drop in the bucket compared to all the Damage they've done. So get over it, This is not your fathers America, this is the closest to a dictatorship the country has ever been!

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Ford was a good man, even though he was a Republican. Anyone that disagrees with the Bush administration must have a few brain cells working, Just how freakin stoned do you have to be to agree with them, man some people need to chill the f*** out and put their American pride bullshit to rest. America under Bush has done nothing to be proud of other than maybe the Aids money to Africa, a virtual drop in the bucket compared to all the Damage they've done. So get over it, This is not your fathers America, this is the closest to a dictatorship the country has ever been!

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You can say that again!!! Damn straight! I couldn't agree more.:D:D

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Ford was a good man, even though he was a Republican. Anyone that disagrees with the Bush administration must have a few brain cells working, Just how freakin stoned do you have to be to agree with them, man some people need to chill the f*** out and put their American pride bullshit to rest. America under Bush has done nothing to be proud of other than maybe the Aids money to Africa, a virtual drop in the bucket compared to all the Damage they've done. So get over it, This is not your fathers America, this is the closest to a dictatorship the country has ever been!

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How is it a dictatorship when he is gone in 08? your Bush hate blinds you..

My Bush Hate, Makes me smarter...you just blindhate.....<(good screen name)


Ford....didnt agree with Bush....Took it to the grave. = Man Of Honor


Carter is on Book tour spewing as much anti semitic, Bush hating, Venom as his dumb lips can get out....NIce Former Pres........

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How is it a dictatorship when he is gone in 08? your Bush hate blinds you..

My Bush Hate, Makes me smarter...you just blindhate.....<(good screen name)


Ford....didnt agree with Bush....Took it to the grave. = Man Of Honor


Carter is on Book tour spewing as much anti semitic, Bush hating, Venom as his dumb lips can get out....NIce Former Pres........

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"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

Theodore Roosevelt - 1918

Yes "People" can say what ever they want about the Pres ( cant say your going to kill him though huh? Damit first ammend, isnt absolute....)

This is the differance.....this is what Ford understood... once you have been president you are in special company, and if you talk down about the person you are talking down about the office IE you are talking down about your self.....

The proof im right is in the fact that Ford didnt want his thoughts on Gdub known till he was gone...im assuming the Ford is smarter than you and I, and If he does it it must have been the Honorable thing to do.

It is a no class move......


My other Point is that Jimmy Carter is one of the worst Presidents ever, and still is the ENEMY WITHIN.

Bongo please post your reasons for saying Carter was one of the worst Presidents, be specific....don't just repeat what you have heard from fox news....THINK for yourself. DO some research.....he was screwed by the treasonist neocons going behind his back. Carter was too good for the White House he would not play their game so they went behind his back which is treason.

Arms sales is the bread and butter of the neocons...it always has been so they made it a point to smear Jimmy Carter...this quote is what set them against him......

"The arms industry is unlike any other. It operates without regulation. It suffers from widespread corruption and bribes. And it makes its profits on the back of machines designed to kill and maim human beings.
So who profits most from this murderous trade? The five permanent members of the UN Security Councilâ??the USA, UK, France, Russia, and China. Together, they are responsible for eighty eight per cent of reported conventional arms exports. â??We canâ??t have it both ways. We canâ??t be both the worldâ??s leading champion of peace and the worldâ??s leading supplier of arms.â?� Former US President Jimmy Carter, presidential campaign, 1976

What exactly in the above qoute do you have problems with?

The rest of the world does not seem to agree with you.....

Jimmy Carter is without doubt one of the most active and influential ex-presidents in American history.
After leaving office, he established the nonprofit Carter Center, tasked with advancing human rights around the world. Through his and the centerâ??s work, Carter has helped monitor more than 60 democratic elections, worked with governments in sub-Saharan Africa to develop sustainable agriculture, negotiated for peaceful conflict resolution in various countries, and worked to eradicate diseases such as Guinea worm and river blindness. For these and other efforts, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.

Carterâ??whose presidency was highlighted by achievements in international diplomacy such as the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel, the Panama Canal treaties, and the arms-reducing SALT II treaty with the Soviet Unionâ??is also the author of 20 books. The most recent, Our Endangered Values: Americaâ??s Moral Crisis, is a wide-ranging critique of how fundamentalism, both religious and political, is influencing American policy at home and abroad.

http://www.motherjones.com/interview...my_carter.html

SO what's your beef...do you grade presidents on how many wars they start or how many Muslims they kill? I don't get you so please enlighten me.

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Bongo

First off I have been trying to steer clear of you...

I have respect for women, But this is it.

Bongo...NIce Name but you are now BLUEBITCH.. nice twist huh?


please post your reasons for saying Carter was one of the worst Presidents, be specific....don't just repeat what you have heard from fox news....THINK for yourself. DO some research.....he was screwed by the treasonist neocons going behind his back. Carter was too good for the White House he would not play their game so they went behind his back which is treason.

Arms sales is the bread and butter of the neocons...it always has been so they made it a point to smear Jimmy Carter...this quote is what set them against him......

"The arms industry is unlike any other. It operates without regulation. It suffers from widespread corruption and bribes. And it makes its profits on the back of machines designed to kill and maim human beings.
So who profits most from this murderous trade? The five permanent members of the UN Security Councilâ??the USA, UK, France, Russia, and China. Together, they are responsible for eighty eight per cent of reported conventional arms exports. â??We canâ??t have it both ways. We canâ??t be both the worldâ??s leading champion of peace and the worldâ??s leading supplier of arms.â?� Former US President Jimmy Carter, presidential campaign, 1976

What exactly in the above qoute do you have problems with?

The rest of the world does not seem to agree with you.....


wrong the rest of the world??? like France...who gives a fuck

Jimmy Carter is without doubt one of the most active and influential ex-presidents in American history.

He is a socialist piece of shit and should denounce his citizenship

After leaving office, he established the nonprofit Carter Center, tasked with advancing human rights around the world. Through his and the centerâ??s work, Carter has helped monitor more than 60 democratic elections, worked with governments in sub-Saharan Africa to develop sustainable agriculture, negotiated for peaceful conflict resolution in various countries, and worked to eradicate diseases such as Guinea worm and river blindness. For these and other efforts, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.

Carterâ??whose presidency was highlighted by achievements in international diplomacy such as the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel, the Panama Canal treaties, and the arms-reducing SALT II treaty with the Soviet Unionâ??is also the author of 20 books. The most recent, Our Endangered Values: Americaâ??s Moral Crisis, is a wide-ranging critique of how fundamentalism, both religious and political, is influencing American policy at home and abroad.

http://www.motherjones.com/interview...my_carter.html

^^^^^ you are right he is a great socialist^^^^^^^

SO what's your beef...do you grade presidents on how many wars they start or how many Muslims they kill? I don't get you so please enlighten me.

how many Muslims did Ronald Reagan kill?

you are a 2 demisional BITCH love the name calling..this is great

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Here ya Go BLUEBITCH.....

this gentlemen has put it very well..................

Jimmy Carter: The Worst Ex-President in History
By Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor
During his four years in the White House, he presided over the worst economic downturn since World War II, allowed a bunch of thugs to seize our embassy and our citizens, and supported Philippine dictator Fernando Marcos, Pakistani General Zia al Huq, Saudi King Faud and many other dictators. But Jimmy Carter was a much better president than he is an ex-president.

In fact, Jimmy Carter holds the hands-down record for being the worst ex-president the United States has ever known. His post-presidential meddling in foreign affairs has cost America dearly, both in terms of international credibility and international prestige.

He defied US law by visiting Cuba, even addressing the Cuban public and handing Castro a huge propaganda victory. He oversaw the elections in Haiti, against the expressed wishes of the Clinton administration. A coup followed.

Carter once described Yugoslav strongman Marshal Josef Tito as "a man who believes in human rights." Regarding North Korea's dearly departed Kim Il-Sung, Carter found him "vigorous, intelligent, surprisingly well-informed about the technical issues, and in charge of the decisions about this country," adding "I don't see that [North Koreans] are an outlaw nation."

He was similarly generous regarding Manuel Noriega, Romanian dictator Nicolai Ceaucescu and, of course, Yasser Arafat. He said of Ceausescu and himself, "Our goals are the same: to have a just system of economics and politics . . . We believe in enhancing human rights."

Virtually all of the humanitarian activities of the Carter Foundation abroad have been in direct opposition to US foreign policy. Carter called Bushâ??s description of Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil" was "overly simplistic and counterproductive.â?�

Added the man who was once attacked by a rabbit, "I think it will take years before we can repair the damage done by that statement."

His most recent adventure may be partly behind the predicted $3.00 per gallon analysts say we'll be paying for gas by year's end. Jimmy Carter went to Venezuela to 'monitor' that country's effort to recall President Hugo Chavez.

In 1992, a band of army officers led by Lt. Col. Hugo Chávez FrÃ*as attempted to overthrow President Carlos Andrés Pérez. Although court-martialed and jailed, Chávez emerged a hero.

In 1998, he was elected president on promises to clean out corruption and reduce poverty. Once in office, Chávez promoted a new consitution to consolidate his powers and began to constrain the business community, civil society, and rival politicians.

As a presidential candidate, Hugo Chávez campaigned against the "savage capitalism" of the United States. On August 10, 2000, he became the first foreign leader to visit Saddam Hussein since the Gulf War, and he allegedly aided Afghanistan's Taliban government following the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States.

At the same time, Chávez said that Cuba and Venezuela were "called upon to be a spearhead and summon other nations and governments" to fight free market capitalism.
Venezuela is also one of the countries upon which the United States is dependent for oil, and has been since the US first began relying on imported oil supplies back in 1948.

Besides supplying the United States with 1.5 million barrels of oil a day, Venezuela provides most of the petroleum consumed by U.S. allies in the Caribbean and Central America.

Regional leaders know that opposing Chávez in any significant fashion could result in less favorable sales terms or cuts in deliveries.

In September 2003, President Chávez accused the Dominican Republic of harboring Venezuelans--like former President Carlos Andrés Pérez--who allegedly might conspire against his government. Chavez then stopped oil deliveries, prompting a temporary energy crisis while Dominican officials scrambled for new suppliers.

From the perspective of American economic interests, not to mention homeland security issues, Hugo Chavez is a very bad man to have in the neighborhood. And, thanks to Jimmy Carter, Chavez isn't going away anytime soon.

Venezuela's opposition party finally forced a recall election, with opinion polls showing that voters favored his recall by a margin of more than 2 to 1.

When there were questions about possible vote tampering by the Chavez side, the opposition called for election monitors. Chavez agreed to let Jimmy Carter oversee the election, and the Carter Center headed for Caracas.

Under Jimmy Carter's watchful eye, Hugo Chavez defeated the recall attempt by a wide margin -- reflecting almost a mirror-image of the opinion polls.

While two out of three Venzuelans polled before the election wanted Chavez out, when the ballots were counted, Chavez was declared the winner by an almost exact opposite margin. "About 58 percent said 'no' to a recall, while 42 percent said 'yes,'" wrote the Washington Post.
Carter ignored a press release from the polling firm Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. that reported, "Exit Poll Results Show Major Defeat for Chavez." The release, dated 7:30 p.m. on election day, said, "With Venezuela's voting set to end at 8 p.m. EST according to election officials, final exit poll results from Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates, an independent New York-based polling firm, show a major victory for the 'Yes' movement, defeating Chavez in the Venezuela presidential recall referendum."

One of the most effective ways to monitor the fairness of an election is to employ the use of exit polls. In a nutshell, here's how exit polls work. After somebody has finished voting, a pollster will ask them how they voted. In emerging democracies, about 90% of voters participate.

By contrast, in America, where exit polls are widely used to call elections before the votes are all counted, less than 40% of voters participate.

Statistically, exit polls should mirror the actual vote, within a relatively thin margin of error.

The margin of error between Carter's certified fair-and-square ballots and the independent exit poll results constituted a swing of almost forty points -- a statistical impossibility. Chavez counted on Carter leaning his way -- Carter's history of promoting anti-American dictators is no secret.

As Stephen Hayward noted in a column at Front Page, "among his complex motivations is his determination to override American foreign policy when it suits him."

Indeed, Carter's penchant for interfering in US foreign policy is so well known it won him a Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter will go down in history as the first US ex-president ever to be awarded a Nobel Prize for the sole purpose of conveying an insult to his country from the Nobel committee.

Gunnar Berge, chairman of the five-member committee, told reporters that giving the Peace Prize to Carter "must also be seen as criticism of the line the current U.S. administration has taken on Iraq ... It's a kick in the leg to all that follow the same line as the United States."

("How can we REALLY show how much we hate the Americans? I know! Let's give a Nobel Prize to Jimmy Carter!")

Once Chavez had stolen the election and Jimmy Carter certified the results, certain American critics (pretty much anybody with a brain) started questioning whether or not Jimmy Carter had just sold American interests down the river -- again.

Carter hit back in a Wall Street Journal Opinion piece, writing;

"We are familiar with potential fraudulent techniques and how to obtain a close approximation to the actual results to assure accuracy."

Having established that Jimmy Carter is far too savvy to be conned by a mere thug like Chavez, Carter then dismissed the results of the exit polls, writing;

"During the voting day, opposition leaders claimed to have exit-poll data showing the government losing by 20 percentage points, and this erroneous information was distributed widely."

Well, that's that! The New York pollsters 'widely distributed erroneous information' -- Hugo Chavez won fair and square. Jimmy Carter says so.

Penn Schoen evidently must have cheated, although it is a reputable New York polling firm with a 20 year track record, including working for Bill Clinton in 1996, Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2001, Michael Bloomberg in 2001 and many other national political campaigns.

Why would it risk its hard-won professional reputation over an election in Venezuela? Carter doesn't explain.

Hugo Chavez is bad news from the perspective of US national security. He is bad news from the perspective of homeland security. He is bad news from the perspective of US dependence of foreign oil. And he is bad news for America's economic security.

Which makes Hugo Chavez good news from the perspective of the worst ex-president in US history.

Excerpted from the Omega Letter Daily Intelligence Digest, Volume:35: Issue 26



Next Bluebitch

Lets talk about your son.... He is a great American.

You once said...he doesnt feel like a hero..............I thought alot about that.

well bitch let me tell you why...

Cause he has listened to you spew anti america venom for so many years...he is mixed up in the head....

If he spent an Hour with me and I told him how my DAD a Navy Medic (Corp man) gave his life for this country.

I told him thank you for serving this country while crying...he would feel like a hero.............

YOU BITCH, MAKE HIM FEEL LIKE LESS THAN A HERO..................


SO FUCK OFF, AND KEEP UP THE BONGO SHIT.......ILL START WITH THE C WORD.



Mods do what you will, im done with this bitch...........


She treats me with respect i will her.......


She is one of the resons I left I didnt want to get into it with this dumb bitch....

Bitch ? wow Bongo is nothing compaired to what comes from you. Go teach your kids to hate people that are muslim, call em Apes and Pigs o sorry i Mean Extremists. Your no differnt than a extremists. Dare I say Coward?

How are you allowed to spew such Hate?

how are you allowed to spew such stupidity?

Sad Tho BC that people have to retire or Die to finaly say Something:( I guess If you do it while your alive you Get bashed by people like Bongo. There should be nothing wrong with disagreeing with a Idiot idea Alive.

Bong, I really think you went overboard above with the name-calling. That was uncalled for. You're capable of being a gentleman. I've seen it many times. What gives?

Its about Honor and class... you know nothing of either



Praise in Public, punish in private................way to deep for you im sure.

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Bong, I really think you went overboard above with the name-calling. That was uncalled for. You're capable of being a gentleman. I've seen it many times. What gives?

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im done....she tells me Im a ape and to eat a banana...

i tell her to fuck off............. seams easy


she twist my name ( in a condacending way) Im sure i spelled that wrong.....

I call her Bluebitch

I left cause of this Bitch.......



I could not figure why her son didnt feel like a Hero?


I know why.............I told her


If she would treat me with respect i would her.....


go look at our post BG....when she came back i welcomed her.......


then she stared on me with the ape banna shit and Bongo.....


I AM A MAN.....I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE NOT FUCKING HER, my mom a lil, but i dont take shit from no one

Not face to face not on the web i I DONT TAKE SHIT.....................

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Its about Honor and class... you know nothing of either



Praise in Public, punish in private................way to deep for you im sure.

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So when someone is going to Kill a bunch of people and you know it's wrong. Just Praise in Public and Punish in Private? What kind of idea is that?

O yeah it must be way to Deep for me. Your Knowledge is so Vast Bongo. Next time I know of mass people dieing for NO Reason I'll Praise in Public, punish in private. Good Advice sound like a Peaceful way of fixing the innocent Deaths about to happen. Lame.

you could take the president (bush) into the oval office and pres (ford) could tell him his thoughts , and concerns....In private

Then In public you say that we are working on things......


Keep honor and dignity....for the office of the pres.

You cant even comprehend it..........

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im done....she tells me Im a ape and to eat a banana...
i tell her to fuck off............. seams easy
she twist my name ( in a condacending way) Im sure i spelled that wrong.....
I call her Bluebitch
I left cause of this Bitch.......
I could not figure why her son didnt feel like a Hero?
I know why.............I told her
If she would treat me with respect i would her.....
go look at our post BG....when she came back i welcomed her.......
then she stared on me with the ape banna shit and Bongo.....
I AM A MAN.....I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE NOT FUCKING HER, my mom a lil, but i dont take shit from no one
Not face to face not on the web i I DONT TAKE SHIT.....................

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Well, she definitely got your goat! And the thing is, YOU LET HER.

When you're able to debate with civility and calmness, taking the high road even when someone provokes you? THAT's the mark of a man. (The ability to get you so riled that you lose this ability? THAT's the domain of us females!!)

I'm sorry it got so heated between you two. I happen to love you both. . . .

BG you know me... Im a hot head, but i am reasonable.


You are right, about taking the high road....


BG i left...that is the highest road.........right?


I can only take so much.... I am human.


she wants to call names and degrade people...Ill go at it with her.



Sorry to you BG that you had to hear that come from my mouth.........keyboard what ever..... Sorry.

You are a wee little man Bongo...to attack a mom and her son. Napoleon Complex kicking in?


I see no gentleman here birdgirl this is personal when he is attacking MY SON.

You are very wrong Bongo he has a mind of his own as do all my kids and he calls me everyday. He does not feel like a hero because he is not down range he feels he is in the safety of a CASH tent or the hospital. This is a common problem with medical people but you would not know anything about that would you? He loves me and agrees with most everything I say. He has even read and loved Carters last two books.

I can put you in touch with him if you like you can ask him all about his bitch Mom. We'll see how well that goes.... I'd pay to see it!!!

I suggest you join up Bongo hey they are needing people bad so serve your country why don't you big guy?

Hmmmm? Afraid? I bet they'd even take apes. hahahaha

ROFL Bongo's Head would be to big there not spending 1/4 of the war budget for his Helmet. :dance:

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ROFL Bongo's Head would be to big there not spending 1/4 of the war budget for his Helmet. :dance:

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HAHAHAHA but the jokes on him they are not spending anything on helmets or vests either...his head would just be one BIG target.

For the record I had to buy my sons kevlar and so did many other "bitch" moms.

You could make a carrer of being wrong bitch......

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Krogith and BB.... great company... hate america all day long

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HAHAHAHA but the jokes on him they are not spending anything on helmets or vests either...his head would just be one BIG target.

For the record I had to buy my sons kevlar and so did many other "bitch" moms.

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Wow that is Bad. So poor people are less protected? Sad very Sad. :confused: What does that say about Troop Support. Crazy

Oh and Bong <---- I really did not know you were so sensitive but Bong rhymes with Dong and since you have proved yourself to be a real dick I guess it fits.
It was Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney that made the deals with Iran NOT Carter. I can dispute about everything in the paper you posted. It is garbage. Carter went to those countries to open a dialog because it was the right thing to do. Gee wonder why he got the nobel peace prize...

As much as I know you'd like to believe it you cannot bomb nations in a peaceful democracy.

Have you read anything about the US actions in El Salvador...I bet not.

You have not said anything but trash talk...

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Krogith and BB.... great company... hate america all day long

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You say Hate why Bongo? I'm against Killing people who are innocent. More die now in iraq than under saddam. More terrorist are being made now than there where befor we invaded. Those are FACTS. Why are we there? show me a Law showing Justification of all this. Besides "Because Bush Said So, and He is the Decider". And don;t do that Term limit crap because it is Big Bisness not him whos causeing all this.

Oh yes I hate America that is why I work with the local election board and thats why my husband is a vietnam vet my daughters husband is a marine my dad was military as well and my son is a hero....yep I hate America

SO where's YOUR LOVE for your country you have not answered. Your country needs you! You must hate America if you don't want to serve!!There are great sign on bonuses when are you going BONG?