New Project:

A friend has:

Apartment.
1 Bedroom.
It is a Living Space.
Desire to grow.

The tentative plan is to build a 4x5x7 box in the bedroom. This would essentially be a DIY hydrohut. 1000w HPS. 6 bucket DIY hydrofarm setup like in my Signature. Cutting any holes in the apartment is a no-no, it's got a unit below and above it. The box would be sealed/sealable. The goal would be to yield a good crop, enough to caregive for several patients. Odor control is probably a necessity, in some form or other. The apartment has one of those dual-sliding door closets that's very wide but only about 20-24 inches deep. It seems the closet wouldn't be deep enough to run an effective grow.

Q's:
Is it a deathwish to run a CO2 hyrdohut in a bedroom where someone sleeps?
Should the box be a little bigger?
Would 2x600w be a lot better than 1x1000?
should the box be free-standing or should I use a corner in the apt?
Should the sliding-door closet be used as "part" of the box?
What odor solution is recommended?
It is undesirable to have an exhuast going directly to a window - does anyone have any insight into a good (and cheap, to start) exhaust system for this?
Mylar or Black/White?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions later... If any of the respected and knowledgeable folks here have any insight into the matter, let bud luv know!

apt layout:

Hey Bud, for oder check this out http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87874
I would personally go with the 2x600W's because if they run too hot you can always take one out. For reflection, the miler emergency blankets in the Wal Mart sports department work like a charm for me. The black and white Panda paper are nice for seperating rooms IMO.
Adieu

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Originally Posted by bud luv

Is it a deathwish to run a CO2 hyrdohut in a bedroom where someone sleeps?
Should the box be a little bigger?
Would 2x600w be a lot better than 1x1000?
should the box be free-standing or should I use a corner in the apt?
Should the sliding-door closet be used as "part" of the box?
What odor solution is recommended?
It is undesirable to have an exhuast going directly to a window - does anyone have any insight into a good (and cheap, to start) exhaust system for this?
Mylar or Black/White?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions later... If any of the respected and knowledgeable folks here have any insight into the matter, let bud luv know!

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These are my noobie opinions and first thoughts to your questions:

The box seems about the right size. A 'bit' small for a 1000 but as long as you can control the heat, you should be alright. It is about 100watts per square foot. DENSE buds if all other factors are controlled.

The first thing I thought of was Tranoble's sealed room and thought that maybe you can run something like that...but then again it would have to be REALLY sealed and you would have to have co2 regulated and circulating air inside...

...and I BELIEVE you would still have to clear out the stale air every once in a while. I may be wrong about that last statement.

What else...oh the lights...Bluebear was right about the 2 x 600 instead of 1000 due to the heat factor but also due to the coverage factor. I dont think you will really have that much of a problem gettin a decent footprint from the 1000w because, from what I've read, it can cover about 4 x 4 or so...so you will have some area missing.

20-24 inches is tight, but not too tight for a grow. The closet in theJOURNAL OF A MADMAN is 23 inches deep. Check it out.

If you have a good window to exhaust from, it is a good option, but you said there are people above, so...

The box should be freestanding if you dont have it in the closet...for easy breaking down in case of an emergency. :)

...damn lost track of what I was saying (got pulled away from the cpu)

I recommend black and white over mylar, due to it's durability and ease of use over mylar. Mylar is cheaper, tho.

Well, it has taken me about 1 hour or so to type this response so please disregard any double info. Thanks.

Be cool.


:rastasmoke: RastafarI

TGF

you could run the 1000w but you are gonna need a six inch fan to do so effectively even if you run two sixes i would run a six inch fan so you can bring the lights as close as possible check these pix of a "small" system im runnin right now 600 hps 14 plant aero four inch eco fan 4in carbon filter in a 4x4 homeboxXL hope this helps:rastasmoke:

for some reason i cant post pix will post asap

finally got the pix up

What are the temps in there, and what are the temps where you live?

thanks to everyone for their insights, they've all been very helpful.

Oh and web, why is your filter outside the room? From what I understand it's better to "suck" through it than "blow." I'm not sure about this, but it seems like most people put the filters in the gro room. filter-->exhaust or filter-->lights-->exhaust

Anybody got any info as to whether or not the occupant of the bedroom would die from the co2? thanks

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Hey Bud, for oder check this out http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87874
Adieu

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hey buddy.

So you have that thing in use? My understanding is that the thing makes a cover-up odor, is it something you'd want to have running in your main living space? Do you have experience with ozone generators or ion thingamajigs?

How do all these things work compared to carbon filters?

:confused:

I should mention that budget is a concern and probably only one type of odor system will be installed initially, which should be the first one?

Thanks.

Damn...

It's tough to decide how to set this baby up.

buckets, aero, flood?

build the box for one light or two?

a ton of small plants or a bunch of medium sized?



I want to do a lot of tiny plants, but it's impractical to do this with hydrofarm buckets, which I'm accustomed to using. I don't like flood trays so much. Dare I do a massive aero PVC job?

its in the garage so it stays fairly cool but i bought a heater to regulate. The reason my carbon filter is outside is becuz i dont have to scrub the air comin in but just the air going out it would be ineffective to scrub incoming air becuz once you exhaust it will smell like bud i could just sit it inside the box and direct a fan at it but i prefer the exhaust method

Hey Web.

You can still scrub the exhaust air by putting the filter inside the gro area. You pull the air in the grow through the carbon filter, through a fan, into the exhaust. I believe that's how it's most commonly done, but if it works for you to push the air through it, more power to you.

7 x 4 x 7ft Box built

Next the guts go in. Lights. Fans. Hydrodiggity. Girls.

I haven't decided how to make the front.

I'm liking this...looks alot like one of my rooms. Check ya later

WOW...My 3500th post...WOW

I am adding fans/ventilation today or tomorrow to 2 rooms...maybe we can help each other with some info sharing

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I am adding fans/ventilation today or tomorrow to 2 rooms...maybe we can help each other with some info sharing

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Yes, Definitely!

The eventual plan is to put in a vortex and a can filter.... and after one go-around another light. The hood that I have does seem to spread the light out suitably for the space, though.

Off to get some clones... :D

how did you make the front on yours? I'm considering making two plywood french doors, but I know there's a better solution out there somewhere.

zip door? nice job you decided what kind of system yet?

is that a 2x4 tray?

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is that a 2x4 tray?

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3' x 6'. It's a Flood system; netpots, rockwool, hydroton, coco mat. Pics in a few minutes after I medicate.

nice how many girlz you gonna try to fit in it?

The pics are adjusted to look less bright and more 'manageable.' In real life it's almost impossible to be in there without sunglasses. There's nothing like a brand new 1000w bulb.

You can see in the first photo what I meant about the hood giving coverage of the whole 3 x 6 area. I don't whether I should spread the girls out or keep the spacing as it currently is. Suggestions, latewood? How do you do it in your box?

peace

girls are A-10 on the left, Blueberry on the right

indoor sun

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Originally Posted by bud luv

how did you make the front on yours? I'm considering making two plywood french doors, but I know there's a better solution out there somewhere.

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I just used the panda plastic and hung it over opening. As far as doors...I would make slots at top and bottom lift door up into slot and slide into bottom slot.

shallow slot on bottom and extra room to get door up into slot allowing for sliding into lower slot...follow me.

I would build door out of 1x2 firring strips and cover with reflective material. very light and removable...you can break the doors down into 2-3-4 pieces if you desire. peace

Firring Strips? I'm not sure what those are...

Bath Time:

go to hopot and ask the guy in the lumber section to take you to the firring strips...from there you can figure it out...you could use 1" pvc for frame also.

Any opinions on plant spacing? here's the hood.. :stoned:

Notes -

I'm just using the 2x2 starter cubes and hydroton as a medium. The pots dry out REALLY fast. I think I'm either going to have to get a new timer that has more on/offs, or repot in a more absorbant medium. :(

Pic update.

Nothing too interesting, but here's some DAY 3 pics. I feel so impatient!

..........last pic: how the hell do you hold down an airstone?

DaBoyWeb. Nice setup. It resembles mine exactly, almost. I run a 1K HPS in my HYdro Hut as well. I have no problem cooling, i use a 6" vortex for that. The light raises the temp in the hut about 4.5 degrees. For veg i use a combo of flouros in there, no heat change.

in response to your topping question, if you top at 5 nodes, wait a week, then flower, it should work perfect for you.

love, kp:p

Hey KP thanks for your help with topping.

Attached is a pic of my biggest girl. As you can see, she is on her 7th-8th node. The growth in the last 36 hours has been vigorous, adding 2 nodes in that time period. The rest of my blueberries are on their 5th-7th node.

I'm very inexperienced with topping, and I'm scared to cut these babies at a time when they're growing so well :confused:. Also, these plants are packed in there, with more than a plant per square foot. So while I see lots of pics of very nice topped plants all over this board, they're usually big monster plants, not SOG-style. Also, I would be able to flower this girls in the next few days if I didn't top - would topping and waiting another week help my G/W/M ratio?

So basically I'm fishing for more advice and direction from you and all the other knowledgable peeps out there! Help!

BUD LUV :pimp:

that is a matter for discussion. You have a few days to decide. So that allows you to get input from a few experienced SOG'rs before you start decapitating.

There are different ways to go here...and the Pros/Cons of each:

1. Not topping. This is easy;
Pros: No stress, More breathing room, due to taller plants. Big Fat kolas

Cons: Potential loss of light penetration, (You lose 1/2 of your lamps strength in lumens for every foot.
If you have growbox height issues, then you may have to manipulate your plants by tying them off here and there.

2. Topping. Same old story...
Pros: Lower profile for better light penetration, more budsites

Cons: Stress.
Could have environmental issues (air circulation) to due lack of seperation/space underneath canopy. A porblem in dealing with and providing a haven for pests; Should they find their way into your medium.

Now this answer is squewed towards your current question/situation. I addressed this reflecting your mention of an over-planting issue and most likely small concerns either way...well except for the pests. lol later.

Next!

choices, choices...

so latewood, which would YOU do?

hey bud ,
another answer to your q's at the koolbloom q's too .
peace
your cuz
crispi

would you take a pik of the whole set-up with pots evenly spaced as they would be if you flowered now...Let's have a look at the space...later, gotta get to the farm. peace

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would you take a pik of the whole set-up with pots evenly spaced as they would be if you flowered now...Let's have a look at the space...later, gotta get to the farm. peace

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For a size reference point - They're in 1 gallon pots. The blueberries (on the right) are growing quickly. The A-10s (on the left) have been showing pistils for about 2 days, even though they're tiny--too small to make a clone out of, even.

It's not too late to change the plant placement, but It seems like this is about the widest it can be for them all to get good light.

:pimp: let's see what 10 days brings in my setup. These pics are about 4 days old as of 1-22... It's beauty rest time for the ladies so I can't go in there for new pics now.

I was tempted out of my better judgement and went with two diff strains under one light, and it's biting me in the ass. The blueberries are at least twice as tall as the A-10s so I have lite-spacing issues.

They've been in 12/12 for about a week, i think. The A-10s have doubled up pistils but the bb's don't.

your boy,
BUD LUV