Conspiracy in Russia!!

One in 10 Russians Say Their Special Services Killed Litvinenko

Dec. 16 (Bloomberg) -- One in 10 Russians think their own special forces killed Alexander Litvinenko, a former Russian spy who died in London Nov. 23 of apparent poisoning by radioactive polonium 210, an independent public opinion poll showed.

The Moscow-based Levada Center asked 1,600 Russians between Dec. 8-12 who had killed Litvinenko. Some 20 percent said it was his former business partners; 15 percent said Boris Berezovsky, a billionaire businessman who fell out with President Vladimir Putin and now lives in exile in London; and 10 percent said it was Russian special services.

Some 13 percent said they didn't know anything about the case and 26 percent termed the question ``difficult to answer.''

Another eight percent blamed Western special services, the same number who thought Litvinenko accidentally contaminated himself while transporting radioactive material. One percent said it was suicide, according to the poll, which was published yesterday on the Levada Center's Web site.

Officers from London's Metropolitan Police are in Moscow to investigate Litvinenko's death, which they are treating as murder. Litvinenko himself blamed Putin for his poisoning in a statement shortly before he died. The Kremlin has denied any involvement, as has Berezovsky.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...4&refer=europe

NOW who should be held accountable in a world court? HMMMMMMM.....

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Having lived in Russia I could tell you it turned into a shithole...well most parts of it anyways. The people there are very afraid of their gov't and the country as a whole isnt doing well at all. The people are very suspicious of their gov't, fearing it being tampered greatly by organized crime, which it is.

NOW who should be held accountable in a world court? HMMMMMMM.....

The guilty party...duhhhhhh :D

Kidding.... that was a good read thanks....I'm going with Russian special forces as the guilty party. Remember when Bush said "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw he had a good soul.... HAHAHAHA for that reason alone we should look at Putin.

I think suicide or self contamination is the least believable.

So who do you think did it?

Hey have you noticed how anti American the Russian newspapers have become?

We should have let Russia keep Afghanistan. If Reagan hadn't given bin Laden and his monkeys weapons and training al Quada, and other terrorist networks, wouldn't be nearly as big as they are today.

Communism is bad, but Islam is a million times worse.

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We should have let Russia keep Afghanistan. If Reagan hadn't given bin Laden and his monkeys weapons and training al Quada, and other terrorist networks, wouldn't be nearly as big as they are today.

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Good point....

And what would that make Russia look like today? Would we still be in the cold war?

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Communism is bad, but Islam is a million times worse.

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Thats fucking terrible and you know it!! You sound like a god damn bigot and Islamophobe! Just for that, maybe sometime a real Jihadist terrorist who is the very small minority in Islam (or US black ops) will hit you with a car bomb. Maybe then you will learn some respect!

Stalin/Mao and his minions killed more people than Islam ever did! May Allah guide you.

Well Breu how can you say all of Islam? You know thats a lot of people and only a small percentage are fanatical... of course Great Spirit doesn't help the argument much when he wishes a car bomb on you. :rolleyes:

They've all done too much killing if you ask me and that includes the Christians in fact if you include the crusades they've got everyone beat as far as killing goes.

our problems in Afganistan began when we allowed oil companies to dictate foreign policy. The problems didn't really start until the US was cut out of the oil profits.

this is an interesting time line don't you think?

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm


I thought the topic was russia anyway....I wonder what this guy knew that made the Russians want him dead?

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Originally Posted by Great Spirit

Thats fucking terrible and you know it!! You sound like a god damn bigot and Islamophobe! Just for that, maybe sometime a real Jihadist terrorist who is the very small minority in Islam (or US black ops) will hit you with a car bomb. Maybe then you will learn some respect!

Stalin/Mao and his minions killed more people than Islam ever did! May Allah guide you.

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Hey, Great Spirit, I've never owned a car - so I don't have to give those filthy ragheads one stinking penny for their oil.

P.S. Go fuck yourself, you miserable piece of garbage.

Filthy ragheads? I just lost any respect I had for you Breu.

BTW Psycho I thought racism was not tolerated in these forums.. it seems like it should work both ways not just for those that speak out against Americans.

I have several friends from india and I find this comment extremely offensive.

I could have done without that comment, too, Blue Cat. And I often find myself wishing people would be more respectful and courteous of other cultures here as well. In other parts of the board, comments such as that wouldn't be tolerated, but this is the politics area, where a more lax attitude about courtesy/insulting comments reigns. The politics and sexuality boards are the two areas of this forum where the rules of courtesy and language aren't quite the same as they are in the other areas. It doesn't always make sense to me, and we still occasionally ask people to tone things down here, but just be aware that politics is a slightly different animal from the other boards. This was even put to a vote a few months back, and the results of the vote were to have the rules in this forum be more relaxed than they are in others. (I voted in the minority--and it was actually a fairly close decision, as I recall.) Hope this helps explain things!

Thats fine,birdgirl thanks for explaining. :) It was racist and why racism should be ok in politics beats me but if they voted on it I guess democracy has spoken.
I just wanted to voice my disapproval. Not that my voice really matters to anyone but me :) I have to speak up though I don't want to be running behind that empty flag in hell. LOL

My friend Bimac teaches Geology at Western he is sikh and wears a turban. I have never met a nicer person. He and his family would do anything to help anyone. He loaned me $ 1000 when my husband got in a car wreck and I couldn't pay the bills and his wife Daksha makes the best homemade naan and tandoori chicken OMG its fantastic. My mouth is watering just thinking about it :D

It is really sad when people are so closed minded they sell themselves short in life and miss out on some beautiful friendships.

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BTW Psycho I thought racism was not tolerated in these forums.. it seems like it should work both ways not just for those that speak out against Americans.

I have several friends from india and I find this comment extremely offensive.

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But that's why I like the Politics forum. If you're a racist, hate the goddam commies, think aliens probed Rumfeld, then by God let it all hang out! The opinions will be read and judged in all their nasty glory-then tucked away in the backs of your collective minds accordingly. The bad ones make the good ones shine, and the good ones show the silly shit for what it is. PC has it's place but most of the time it masks a lot of truth....

So by all means offend the hell out of me, but you'd better be damn good at it and your arguments rock solid....lol

These are but wild and whirling words, my lord. :D

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Filthy ragheads? I just lost any respect I had for you Breu.
BTW Psycho I thought racism was not tolerated in these forums.. it seems like it should work both ways not just for those that speak out against Americans.
I have several friends from india and I find this comment extremely offensive.

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The Arabs are of the same "race" as myself: Indo-European. I had some genetic tests done, and my Y-DNA type is associated with people from the Middle East and Southern Europe. The Y-DNA is the straight male line, going back many thousands of years. Even though my recent ancestry is from Northern Europe, they apparently migrated during the Neolithic Expansion and settled in the Germanic lands.

Most people from Northern India also have Indo-European genetic markers.

So, how can I be a "racist" if I am of the same race as most of the people that I am critical of?

Why don't you tell that punk from PA, that wants me blown up, that he's lost your "respect".

I sure as hell don't care, because you don't even know me.

Have a good one! :D

I said I was offended by the remark "filthy rag heads" Breu. It is a racist remark. Just because you are indo european does not give you a free pass for racial slurs. I think when black people use the N word it is wrong too. IMO A slur is a slur and it is disrespectful no matter what color you are.

And I did say that Great Spirit wishing a bomb on you did not help to support the case that he was any less fanatical.... I have not read enough of his post to have respect for him in the first place.

Your remark took me by surprise. When I have heard the terms filthy rag head or towel head before it came from the mouth of a knuckle dragging hayseed type person wearing a confederate flag t shirt and missing half his teeth.

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I said I was offended by the remark "filthy rag heads" Breu. It is a racist remark. Just because you are indo european does not give you a free pass for racial slurs. I think when black people use the N word it is wrong too. IMO A slur is a slur and it is disrespectful no matter what color you are.

And I did say that Great Spirit wishing a bomb on you did not help to support the case that he was any less fanatical.... I have not read enough of his post to have respect for him in the first place.

Your remark took me by surprise. When I have heard the terms filthy rag head or towel head before it came from the mouth of a knuckle dragging hayseed type person wearing a confederate flag t shirt and missing half his teeth.

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That is as "racist" a definition of a Southerner as they come! Do a search on this board for the word "redneck" and you'll see countless examples of people using the word, which certainly is a slur. Why is "raghead" worse? Why should Arabs receive special treatment, when American Southern people, and other Americans have open season declared on them - by the Arabs as well as everybody else. If one group is exempt, THAT is "racism".

Just some food for thought, and dialog.

Here's an entire thread about "Rednecks":
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...lly#post214506

While we're at it, you contributed this:

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

everything you always wanted to know about rednecks.....

http://www.redneckworld.com/Redneck_...eck_humor.html

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You have got to be kidding me. First I never even mentioned the south but you did. I never said redneck either but you did. I don't agree with you that redneck is a racist comment because it applies to anyone that works on a farm has a short hair cut and gets a sunburn on the back of their neck. There is no RACE involved. I lived in the south and the people that use racial slurs typically have a confederate flag hanging in their living room or on their pick up and are missing half their teeth. Last time I checked ignorance was not a race either but hey you might just prove me wrong. Go for it :D LMFAO

Quick call 911 we have to arrest Jeff Foxworthy and while you're at it better round up Larry the cable guy hahahahaha

Next youll be saying Im "racist" against cave men because I said knuckle draggin. LMAO give me a break! Thanks for the laugh.

Although I am no "offended" by Foxworthy and the other "redneck" comedians, I do not think that they are funny.

Again, if you do some research you'll find that Arabs and Northern Indians are of the same "race" as most Americans: Indo-European. There are only five races, and various mixtures of them:

Native American
East Asian
Indo-European
Sub-Saharan African

If a Chinese person says something like, "Those stinking Japs are taking over the world!", he is talking about a different nationality, not a different race.

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Next youll be saying Im "racist" against cave men because I said knuckle draggin. LMAO give me a break! Thanks for the laugh.

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I didn't start calling anybody a "racist". You did. And if you continue to call ME a racist for making remarks about people of my own race, then you are not getting it.

BTW, I live in a city with about 150 nationalities, including ALL races - and I love the diversity that NYC offers. I do not like people that hate, and I'm proud of that. Having been across the street from the WTC the first time they bombed it, and in the vicinity on 9/11, is not something that endears you to the cultures and religion that produced the savage lowlifes that carried out these, and other, attacks.

Have a good laugh - I know I am, since the bastard RAGHEADS missed me both times. :smokin:

Breu you can try to justify calling someone a "filthy" raghead any how you like. The term filthy raghead AND the term stinking Jap are both racist. So you can post till your fingers are blue you will never change my mind.

I don't care what your race is or where you live. It was used just as you meant it in a derogatory manner so stop trying to justify it with bullshit

I am swedish and Irish and native american I have blonde hair and big brown Cherokee eyes. If I used the term redskin or half breed it would still be a slur.

Stop trying to justify a mistake and just let it go.

I found an interesting test want to take it?

It's called alllooksame I scored a 10 which is normal. I have to admit it was hard though.

http://www.alllooksame.com/exam_room.php it is exam#1 faces.

I have been to NYC and loved the diversity I like Vancouver Canada's diversity even more Seattle is nice too. I love living in the city. I have been both a country mouse and a city mouse and I love the city. :D

I LOVE not having a car the best. Mass transit kicks ass! No insurance, no gas to buy no flat tires it's great.

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Breu you can try to justify calling someone a "filthy" raghead any how you like. The term filthy raghead AND the term stinking Jap are both racist. So you can post till your fingers are blue you will never change my mind.

I don't care what your race is or where you live. It was used just as you meant it in a derogatory manner so stop trying to justify it with bullshit

I am swedish and Irish and native american I have blonde hair and big brown Cherokee eyes. If I used the term redskin or half breed it would still be a slur.

Stop trying to justify a mistake and just let it go.

I found an interesting test want to take it?

It's called alllooksame I scored a 10 which is normal. I have to admit it was hard though.

http://www.alllooksame.com/exam_room.php it is exam#1 faces.

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So I got a six - the average person gets a seven. The Asians themseves probably don't score much better than average.

What is this supposed to prove? Unless they are wearing special clothing, I probably wouldn't do much better if they showed pictures of Polish, English and German people and asked you to guess which nationality they were. Basically, they are ALL THE SAME, just as the Asians are. The Polish, and other Eastern Europeans, often have some more "Slavic" features - which may be from ancient Asian genetics. Most other Europan nationalities have some of this also, to some extent.


I've got all kinds of Asians in my neighborhood and they're fine neighbors. So are the Middle Easterners, and many, many other people. The key thing is that they try to assimilate into America.

I don't think it was suppose to prove anything I just found it and thought it was interesting I guessed on all of them. :)

I am bored can you tell?

I like it when a culture stays intact. That is the difference I have noticed in Canada and the US. We attempt to assimilate and make everone out to be westerners where as Canada or at least BC respects and allows for different cultures a bit more.

Did you take the Modern Art test? I flunked that one. I got a 7
Ha thats pretty bad considering my degree is in art history.

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I am swedish and..... [url]

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You know what's funny? The fact that the Norwegians and Swedes do not mind word such as "Squarehead", being used to refer to them.
That speaks VOLUMES about their temperment, intellect, and maturity.

Our learned moderator Psycho4Bud is a Squarehead, and damn proud of it.

They're only words. Yes, it can hurt, but we all know the old rhyme about sticks and stones.


Raghead, Squarehead, Deadhead, let's call the whole thing off. ;)

Edit: I only got a "5" on the modern art test.

HAHAHA I did not know that about Psycho!

I guess we can assume Fengzi is a deadhead :D

Well I guess I should attempt sleep.

Sweet dreams to you Breu.

Cat

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HAHAHA I did not know that about Psycho!

I guess we can assume Fengzi is a deadhead :D

Well I guess I should attempt sleep.

Sweet dreams to you Breu.

Cat

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Likewise.

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I like it when a culture stays intact. That is the difference I have noticed in Canada and the US. We attempt to assimilate and make everone out to be westerners where as Canada or at least BC respects and allows for different cultures a bit more.

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Unfortunately, the way cultures stay intact is through racism. Racism isn't really about race; it's about culture. A group sticks together through their culture long enough they're eventually all going to start looking alike. And the way to keep that culture going is to exclude other influences.

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Unfortunately, the way cultures stay intact is through racism. Racism isn't really about race; it's about culture. A group sticks together through their culture long enough they're eventually all going to start looking alike. And the way to keep that culture going is to exclude other influences.

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This phenomenon is against nature - and the result is racism, warfare, and exclusionary practices.

The reason that I hated the "diversity" programs, and affirmative action, at my jobs in New York is because most of the people that benefited would never reciprocate - once they got in a position, the only people that they would help were their "own kind". As I said earlier I enjoy real diversity, such as the varioius immigrant cultures, and that's the main reason I've stayed in New York.

Many of the world's problems probably never would have happened if the ancient people had not run out of psychedelic plants, due to various historically accurate climatic conditions, and other reasons. Thse plants broke down primitive, animal instincts and replaced them with advanced tribal customs and intellectual power - otherwise we never would have evolved. Terrence McKenna ("The Archaic Revival", "Food of the Gods", "True Hallucnations", etc.) has some very interesting theories about this.