It's Time To Clobber The Federal Hate Bill

no doubt the neocons are drooling over this unconstitutional trash bill...



[align=left]It's Time To Clobber The Federal Hate Bill [align=left]Rev. Ted Pike

Rense.com
Tuesday, December 5, 2006
With Congress back in session, it's time for the American people to raise a holy howl of protest against the soon-to-be-reintroduced federal "anti-hate" bill. If a chorus of protest does not erupt now against this impending darkness, we may never have another chance. [/align]

[align=left]The Democrat-controlled Congress is sure to pass this bill. If passed, this Orwellian legislation will almost certainly be signed by the President. When that happens, America will unite with Canada, Australia and most European countries in a worldwide "thought crimes" confederation. Such control over the thoughts and speech of all mankind is the very definition of world conquest for those behind this legislation-ADL and its parent organization, B'nai B'rith International. [/align]

[align=left]We stand at a precipice. Below is a chasm of unimaginable darkness. If we do not turn America back now, while she still honors dissent, America will never be saved tomorrow, as a nation that outlaws free speech. [/align]

[align=left]Battle Plan [/align]

[align=left]Here's the battle plan to back ADL down. We want to threaten them with such exposure and public outrage that they won't even introduce this freedom-stealing legislation this year. [/align]

[align=left]1. Begin toll-free phone calls to Congress immediately. Visit www.truthtellers.org for the complete list of members of the new Congress. Set aside 15 minutes a day (before work or during lunch) to call toll-free 1-877-851-6437 or 1-866-340-9281 (toll is 1-202-225-3121). [/align]

[align=left]Leave this message: "Please don't vote for 'anti-hate' legislation. Hate laws have taken away free speech in Canada and most European countries." Don't hang up. Ask to be transferred to the next member of Congress on the list. In 15 minutes a day for only seven weeks, you can make your voice heard to every member of Congress. [/align]

[align=left]Congress adjourns for Christmas recess after Friday, Dec. 8. Calling may be resumed January 3. At that time the 60-plus new members of Congress may also be reached through the capitol hotline. [/align]

[align=left]2. Download my readymade flyer against hate laws. Print out separately, paste both sides back to back, and have copies made at your local print shop. Distribute as widely as possible, especially to leaders, broadcasters, newspapers, and members of Congress and state legislatures. Post on the internet. [/align]

[align=left]3. Also, please financially support the National Prayer Network. Our work is made possible by the sale of books and videos and by tax-deductible donations from those who appreciate our vital role in saving freedom. During the past week, as director, I have been interviewed on 10 national radio talk shows. I will be interviewed on many more in the weeks of battle ahead. This Christmastime, we desperately need your largest financial gift to keep us in this 11th-hour battle for freedom. Only very rarely have we appealed for financial help, but unless funds are immediately forthcoming, I will be seriously hampered in the time I can devote to spearheading national efforts to save freedom for your children and grandchildren. Your tax-deductible contributions can be made at www.truthtellers.org, sent to PO Box 828, Clackamas OR, 97015 or by credit card at 503-631-3808. [/align]

[align=left]Against all odds, Divine intervention plus massive protest to Congress defeated the hate bill three times in the last two years. With God's help and your activism, it can be defeated again! [/align]

[align=left]Preview of Flyer against Hate Laws:
http://www.truthtellers.org/hatelawsflyer.pdf
Download Printable Version Here [/align]


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ph please explain, what is this bill and are you for or against it? your post was kind of ambiguous.

Yeah can I get a House bill #?

if it restricts freedom of speech, even if it's something i don't want to hear or like or i find offensive, then i'm against it...that's what this bill does.

others on here, bong for example, can't wait for certain people to lose the 1st amendment, thinking they'll be safe from harm's way after wishing for the end of the constitution...

i don't want to see anyone lose their rights.

New Federal Hate Bill Means Funeral of Free Speech
Rev. Ted Pike | September 28 2005
On Sept. 14, the US House of Representatives passed, 223-199, the ominous federal â??anti-hateâ?� bill, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005. It was inserted as AMDT.2662 into the Childrenâ??s Safety Act. If approved unaltered by the senate judiciary, this legislation is ready for the President to sign into law.
Here is a summary of what the bill would make law:
Although AMDT.2662 ostensibly empowers the government to assist states in prosecution of violent hate crimes, its actual effect will be much more far-reaching. AMDT.2662 will lead to enforcement of the working definitions of â??hateâ?� and â??hate crimesâ?� which are enforced by the many â??anti-hateâ?� bureaucracies in countries throughout the western industrialized world. In such countries, it is now a â??hate crimeâ?� to criticize members of federally protected groups such as Jews and homosexuals. Utilizing such definitions, â??hate crimeâ?� indictments have been made or are currently being pursued by Canada, England, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. AMDT.2662 builds a foundation for a â??hate crimesâ?� bureaucracy in America, also ending free speech.
Here are some of the specially protected groups which AMDT.2662 defends:
Homosexuals. Any public criticism of homosexuals will soon be considered a hate crime, just as it was for 11 Christians under the Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004. These Christians were arrested as â??hate criminalsâ?� for preaching during a huge â??gay prideâ?� rally and faced 47 years in prison and $80,000 fines each.
Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a â??hate crimeâ?� of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.
Jews. Already the Dept. of Global Anti-semitism, being established in the US State Dept., makes it â??anti-semiticâ?� to express â??strong anti-Israel sentimentâ?� against Israel or its leaders. It also says upholding the New Testament charge that Jews killed Christ is â??anti-semitic.â?� Under â??anti-hateâ?� laws in Canada and Europe, such statements are â??hate crimesâ?� punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment.
AMDT.2662 will hasten such anti-Christianity in America as well.
ENDING FREE SPEECH RADIO
If this amendment is approved, FCC restrictions will soon descend on American talk show hosts, with lists of banned topics. Hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada, if they violate these restrictions.
In Canada in Aug. 2004, â??CHOI FM,â?� Quebec Cityâ??s most popular talk show station, was dissolved by the Canadian government. Its 33 employees were put out of work. Its offense? One of its talk show hosts criticized African dictators whose children were educated in Canadian universities. This was considered a â??hate crimeâ?� against blacks.
If AMDT.2662 is passed, exactly the same will soon happen to broadcasters who stray from the new â??politically correctâ?� FCC guidelines. AMDT.2662 will also invite pedophiles, witches, warlocks, Satanists and even â??sinnersâ?� to acquire special federal protection from those who criticize them, including pastors. In England especially, Satanists and witches are included under Britainâ??s new, stiffer â??anti-hateâ?� law.
If passed, AMDT.2662 will provide immediate special FBI, Justice Dept. and local police assistance to protected groups that claim to have been offended. As the nation saw last October in Philadelphia, on the slightest evidence of bias, police will descend on Christians, pastors, talk show hosts and station managers, indicting them with trumped-up â??hate crimeâ?� charges and exorbitant penalties.
FEDERAL TAKEOVER OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
The sovereign rights of states to enforce the law as they see fit has posed a huge barrier to establishment of a federal â??anti-hateâ?� bureaucracy. Until now, the government has had to prove that such abuses as jury tampering, voter fraud, slavery, or crimes involving interstate commerce existed in states before they could meddle in state law enforcement. AMDT.2662 would legitimize as law several devious strategies to break down all barriers to federal intrusion.
AMDT.2662 asserts that if a violent bias crime within a state in any way affects interstate commerce, the federal government has the right to invade state law enforcement. This means that if a homosexual has been called a â??faggotâ?� and threatened to have his butt kicked by a gas station attendant, and as a result does not patronize that gas station whose products have come from across the state line, the federal government can intervene. Or if the homosexual buys a Greyhound ticket (vehicle of interstate commerce) to resettle in San Fransisco as a result of such threatened â??violence,â?� the federal government has a green light to take over state hate crime law enforcement in that state.
AMDT.2662 asserts that bias in states is a â??relicâ?� of slavery. This bill contends that the presence of bias-motivated violent crime within a state is proof that slavery still exists in that state. This provides the same justification for intervention that the federal government had in putting down slavery during the Civil War!
Under AMDT.2662, the government can take over local law enforcement if:
States do not have â??anti-hateâ?� laws. Sec. B (b)(2A)
States are not enforcing state and federal hate laws as zealously as the federal government wishes. Sec. B (b)(2A)
States do not produce the kind of verdicts in hate crimes trials that the federal government wants. Sec. B (b)(2D)
VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION
AMDT.2662 flatly violates the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits government from favoring any particular group.
AMDT.2662 will give hate crimes bureaucrats control of the federal anti-hate agenda. Very quickly, via enabling legislation and judicial precedent, any pretext of respect for the rights of Christians or dissenters will dissolve, as has happened under anti-hate laws in Canada, and under Pennsylvaniaâ??s ADL hate law in Philadelphia on Oct 10.
All criticism of protected groups via politically incorrect terms, such as â??homosexualâ?� or â??sodomite,â?� will become a hate crime, just as it is under British hate law. A huge number of legal precedents will continuously widen hate law jurisdiction. Courts will quickly clog with federal indictments. Staggering backups of unresolved cases will make the federal hate law, like Roe vs. Wade, virtually impossible to repeal.
Canada provides a telescope to American legislators, warning them of the legal confusion and financial exhaustion which comes to those who run afoul of hate crimes bureaucracies. Members of the senate judiciary committee are in a position now to insist that our time-tested legal system be allowed to continue to do what it has done so well for centuries: punish all crime, including â??hate crime,â?� according to physical evidence--- not according to the vagaries of â??bias motivation.â?�

that's last years...i'm trying to find the current one...

Here is the House bill to which you refer too H.R.2662 , its too long to copy paste.

As of now its still "in the works", introduced in 2005... The jist of it is to extend current hate crimes laws from only effecting race, religion, and national origin to also include sexual orientation, gender, gender identity or disability

oh, ok then i completely agree with you. a dead gay man is no more dead than a dead straight man, and i think the punishment should be the same in both cases. and in no case should we make it a crime to speak freely. where would america be right now without the right to free speech? a footnote on the page of history? a great idea that failed? we must stand up for our rights before they are taken away, one by one.

If it can be ruled that the death was due to a hate crime then the punishment would be harder for killer. But ok, you go support crime and criminals. They got rights too!

how is it supporting criminals...a crime is a crime is a crime...you get punished for the crime...it's that simple.

and yes, under the constitution, even criminals have rights...sorry. even us lowly pot smokers.

it's what keeps us from becoming a dictatorship, unless that's what you want...

I admit I hate people that go around preaching how homosexuals are "evil" and "sub-human", but I also must admit it's their right to freespeech to do so.

all murders are truly "hate crimes." whoever kills someone in cold blood obviously hates said person enough to murder them. murder is murder is murder.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

how is it supporting criminals...a crime is a crime is a crime...you get punished for the crime...it's that simple.

Some crimes deserve more punishment IF its PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW UNDER A JURY OF YOUR PEERS to have been a crime of racial intent. Killing someone in a robbery is one thing. Killing someone just because of race/religion/nationality/etc... is far worse.

and yes, under the constitution, even criminals have rights...sorry. even us lowly pot smokers.

Hey I smoke pot too! And in 97 a convicted felon.

it's what keeps us from becoming a dictatorship, unless that's what you want...

If you say so

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If a tree falls in the woods and no ones around to hear it, was it just a conspiracy to begin with?

of course...the constitution is just a conspiracy...it was never written...and it was just an accident with no motivation behind it...

it was just written by a bunch of nutjobs who apparently hated their government, and hated freedom.

Your stories are so fluffed up with added bull that it distorts the truths and facts.

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Some crimes deserve more punishment IF its PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW UNDER A JURY OF YOUR PEERS to have been a crime of racial intent. Killing someone in a robbery is one thing. Killing someone just because of race/religion/nationality/etc... is far worse.

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Not for the poor schmuck on the receiving end of the murder.

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

Not for the poor schmuck on the receiving end of the murder.

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Very true and sad when someone like OJ can throw money at it and get the win. In todays world your level of justace is based off your credit score :(

why is it worse to kill someone because of race or gender than because you want to take their money? both seem like stupid reasons to end another person's life to me. they all bleed, they all suffer, and theyre all dead just the same.

Just the wording of this article kind of tells me that the good Rev. Pike has issues with Jews and homosexuals. So these groups join the Mexicans on Alex Jones shit list?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

interesting... but the freedom of speech is already subject to time/place/manner restrictions.

Plus, there are restrictions against "fighting words", that is, speech designed and delivered purely for the purpose of provoking and inflaming.

I don't see in the bill where this removes the need for evidence, it merely tacks on that if the motivations behind a crime are prejudiced and hateful, it can be more damaging than crimes of opportunity.

Anything on the actual bill rather than Rev Pike's interpretations of it?

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Just the wording of this article kind of tells me that the good Rev. Pike has issues with Jews and homosexuals. So these groups join the Mexicans on Alex Jones shit list?
Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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LOL!

Lenny Bruce is turning over in his grave!


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Rev. Pike